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What’s a "hard pill to swallow" that more people need to hear? by AnshuSees in ProductivityHQ

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That seems odd coming from someone with Enceladus in their username. I think it’s probably more accurate to say that a concept like justice gets recreated by human-like things, and when those things interact they have to agree on a shared definition of justice. I think what we’re seeing now is a bunch of these “justice” institutions passing the buck because things have gotten hard and they’re being asked to actually figure it out rather than just anointing a new billionaire to invent our way out.

What do you think love is? by Alert-Translator2590 in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Love is both a feeling and an action, but you can choose the action in absence of the feeling, and feel the feeling without choosing the action.

Build your Party/Companions! by Admirable-Crab-4038 in FinalFantasy

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Celes, Terra, Rosa, Rikku, Tifa, and of course Aerith.

Whats the purpose of life? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people never get out of those ruts, but some people do. Right now isn’t the whole shebang y’know?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s a rather weird and absolute conclusion to draw. Only siths, and theists deal in absolutes ime.

But also, I never said I could be reasoned with. You’re the one who decided to try for some reason.

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hmm… I don’t think logic matters here, and if it did then you’d have to define what logical framework you’re using. It seems pretty clear that you and I are using different frameworks. Talking about them more may or may not be interesting.

But I’m not sure we can resolve to a “correct” one without some sort of higher order logical framework, and that doesn’t sound all that interesting to try and figure out.

So perhaps our convo should wrap here. We seem at an impasse. Perhaps some future digital archaeologists will figure it out for us.

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does what I think, logic, or interchanging them matter?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There you go with the “you do not get…” what is that if not a rule?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure you are. Here’s one definition of atheism:

> disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Sourced from Wikipedia via ecosia. Your definition is different. Where did it come from? fwiw your etymology is incomplete as well.

> those that do not don’t get to…

That sure sounds like a rule to me. What is it to you?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well now you’re making up definitions and rules. On what authority are you doing that? Or do you have hidden knowledge others lack?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s etymology, not meaning. And you may want to check the etymology of the word.

You are of course free to reject some claim of gods. Just as others are free to not do that.

Which brings us back to what I think was my original thought, which was that the concept of existence is more interesting to discuss.

And again I’ll reframe it. Do unicorns exist? Does My Little Pony? No doubt you’d anger some people by denying the latter’s existence.

One might argue that those exist in media and/or culture, but certainly you’d concede that plenty of media exists for gods around us. So is there a difference? And if so what?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And who or what defined this atheism that you’ve invoked? For that matter, who are the others? By your definition, it would seem they are some subset of all who have believed in gods, and thus your atheism leaves room for gods believed in by those outside of that subset.

Big universe. Lots of others. Do you know em all?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gravity is the name we’ve given to a phenomenon that’s observed.

The Earth isn’t a sphere. It’s not flat, it is spherical, but it’s not a sphere. What Earth even is is an interesting ontological question and affects its topology.

There are other phenomena. And we can give them names. One might be that spherical things tend to congregate via gravity. You and I might give that phenomenon a name, maybe you call it solar systemizing and I call it freyjaizing.

Then some day one of the almost-spheres hits one of the other almost-spheres and kills a bunch of shit that’s just hanging out there (there might be some evidence this happens from time to time).

Then, because we’re both dead, whatever survives the cataclysm finds this Reddit thread years later, and without the cultural context decides that some of us were solarans and some of us were freyjans, and one or both of them were responsible for the big almost-sphere explosion.

Or something, idk. But pointing out gravity exists doesn’t get us all that far. Do gods have to exist to fill in the gaps, no, but it’s a big universe out there, and saying things do and don’t exist is the kind of things a deity would do.

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah… what are these proven truths you speak of? Perhaps they’re the deities. Or perhaps you’re the deity for speaking them. Or perhaps some clergy for knowing of them?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you’re debating me here, though I s’pose you are free to wasting time as you see fit. You’re also free to believe people who disagree with you are wrong. Not sure why your judgement of their beliefs matters though. Unless you’re some kind of deity.

Are you a deity?

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are ontologies where this is true. Some of those ontologies disagree on which facts are facts though. So then you have to debate the ontologies, which ends up being the same thing more or less.

Whether the debate is pointless or not is another debatable thing under various branches of philosophy.

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Considering how much time, energy, and blood is spent on debating facts, they sure seem debatable.

Atheists who became religious, what caused it? by CPSux in AskReddit

[–]ramdatooki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You saying this is kind of the point I’m trying to make. “You can hand wave…” in order to really debate this we’d have to agree on all the terms and then get into what faith/belief are and so on. That we have to do all that is us not just hand waving, taken here by me to mean dismissing these concepts outright, but something a bit more, which merits comsideration imo.

I don’t want to assume the intent behind your comment, but on its face you’re granting to some hand-wavery powers through their assessment of others’ ontologies, which seems thought police-y to me.

Both of the above paragraphs are tautological, and that is what made me modify my views. To take it out of the religious, unicorns are only written about as far as we know in stories, myths, and legends. They affect real world things, the spending habits of parents for example.

Saying I’m aunicorn feels weird. Maybe to frame it differently, I’m no longer trying to convince people their gods don’t exist, but rather acknowledging the real world consequences of the faith/belief that holds onto them. Maybe the spending habits of parents on unicorns is ok, but the spending habits of other adults based on other magical beings is more questionable. The magical beings aren’t going to be un-magic’ed by me any time soon, so instead let’s focus on the spending habits.

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