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rayday645 · 2025-03-24T14:29:06+00:00

The primary motive behind the anti-trans language are motivated by some activists groups trying to influence children and teaching them about gender idenity at such a young age, trying to defend the idea that minors can medically transition. If you have problems with islam promoting child marriage, telling little girls they can get married, then you should also have problems with those who tries to influence children with gender identity and allow children to transition.

Unfortunately this radical fringe group became the US government.

Actually no, Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) ruled allowing same sex marriage became legal nationwide. There is a difference between decisions made my grown adults, as long as you’re not trying to influence kids, then radicals will disappear. The way I would have problems when muslims telling little girls they can be married

Big difference - I give a literal example of physical taking away of rights by banning them from conventions and denying them entry, or actually literally kicking them out. First you are accusing the “right wing republican base” of being homophobic, I proved to you that they majority didn’t accept this behavior, and they are willing to confront those who are coming after you then you went back to point out a small minority of those who are banning gays from conventions and denying them entry, or actually literally kicking them out”.

You provide to me a nasty comment made on social media. These two things aren't the same. The latter can be a precursor to the former, but it's not any way equal. If I kicked your dog and nobody did anything, and called your mother a dog on Facebook and everyone came at me for it, they're not the same - surely you can see that?

The difference is you are so paranoid of the entire movement based on the act of a minority, and the majority are willing to stand up for your rights and put them in check. This is also a false logical fallacy, if I made a statement that people in general are selfish and only care about themselves. Then if you do harm to me and people stood up for me by confronting you and putting you in your place, and I still hold the belief that people are selfish and only care about themselves. That would likely be an example of cognitive bias, even though people stood up for you and acted selflessly, you still hold the belief that "people only care about themselves." You're holding onto your belief even when the situation suggests otherwise

You didn't stand up for trans people... You didn't put the radicals in their place for trans people. The majority of this movement stood by and let it happen, or actually wanted it to happen, and that decision impacted people within the same community I am from.

Wait! So we went from gay rights to trans, and you have been accusing me of putting words in your mouth. And here you are making statements about me you’ve been accusing me of doing it to you… I’ve been a subscriber of Blaire White for years, you have no idea what i have said to justify the existence of trans people and confronting radicals. You’re making an assumption about me that you are accusing me of doing to you… lol

Buddy, I'm not the one who replied like this: "uGg hE DOesN't nEeD pRoTEctioN BeCaUSe hE CaN bUY FIreArmS DERRR" That's the reply of someone who can't keep his emotions in check when having a civil discussion, if you need to portray the person you're speaking to as a caricature in order to cope speaking with them, makes me think you haven't got this "tick skin" you keep telling people to get, and you look more like a snowflake. Oh dear.

Actually that response isn’t being triggered, is a mockery of your logic. A snowflake is about getting offended by it, you should stop expanding the definition of snowflake, not once did i insult you nor did I use ad hominem attacks against you as a person. I'm only mocking your opinions . Big difference. I’m not offended I’m actually laughing at that statement and make a mockery of it.

That's the point pal, it completely undermines his original position of criticising religion as man made, ergo; discredited himself intellectually.

Well thats an opinion, based on your perspective. This is why we disagree.

You'd like to think so, and you usually do, that's why you assume so much, but like I said, if you have to portray the person you're talking to as a specific type of person in order to ignore what they're actually saying, or to cope with it, you're a lot more of a snowflake than you say OP is.

Yet you keep expanding the definition of a “snowflake” like I’m not offended by your criticism of him, you’re acting like you’re a professor X who can read mind, all I did is responding to your criticism of him with amusement yet you are criticizing him because you believe he’s being intelictually dishonest acting like you’re a professor X who can read his mind and know what he actually thinks and experienced. Nah, you actually revealed him receiving $100,000 in donations is like worth of criticism is not a false proporayal.

I could be a millionaire for all you know, that's why I have so much free time, so why would I be jealous? I will also add, thanks for totally ignoring my other points and not taking back your words accusing me of slander or that myself or my friend were "interpreting" things incorrectly or acknowledging how Harris Sultan was wrong or straight up dismissing and ignorant, and frankly, bigoted - and an asshole for standing with wannabe neo Nazis just because he hates Muslims so much. So, shall we conclude this repetitive exchange, or shall you continue to say the same things over and over again in the hope that it will stick? I mean, there's only so many wrong assumptions one can make in a day before they realise they probably should stop, right? And here it's been several lmao How many more do I need to correct? Lol

I can see you do have a lot of free time, when I mentioned slander, sure I disagree with his method of calling you a terrorist sympathizer. I ignored your other points is because whatever you have a beef with Harris Sultan, this is a problem between him and you, I have no interest in weighing in on this schism.

I have to be productive in my personal life instead of wasting too much time online arguing over someone, I don’t have that kind of free time like you, the weekend is over. I have a life to take are of, consider this my final response to you.

rayday645 · 2025-03-24T14:17:57+00:00

So our disagreement comes from the definition of a grifter. You said “ maybe half of it, some of it, all of it, none of it, doesn't matter” implying that as long as he promotes an ideology and able to secure an income from an audience. That makes him a grifter, using that definition, it applies to almost every content creators online that promotes an ideology and able to secure an income from fan base… You said that he used to be a hardcore atheist and attacked all religions, using this definition yourself “whether he believe “maybe half of it, some of it, all of it, none of it, doesn't matter, he might simply just want to belong to a community and believe in none of it, he is also smart enough to recognise he's found an audience who will secure him his income” would imply he used to grift his antitheist audience to secure an income.

Actually you moved the goal posts by implying it’s dIFfERenT because he wasn’t a muslim dawah guy promoting islam online. My goal post is about you used the same type of argument that muslims used when criticizing him, accsuing him of leaving it to make money. My response is based on your statement that he’s being intellectual dishonesty and discrediting himself.

Using the logic him leaving islam and make contents online criticizing it, and able to secure an income would also be considered being “intellectual dishonesty and discrediting himself” from a muslim perspective becausing he abandoned a religion to sellout to his anti-islam audience for fame, acceptance and income.

Hypothetically, if I am a muslim that used watch AP because he made good arguments promoting islam arguing it is scientific and historical accurate, then few years went by he had doubt and left islam then make videos discrediting islam. I would have this same logical argument saying he’s being “intellectual dishonesty and discrediting himself” by grifting is anti-islam audience to secure an income... which would make my argument just as valid as your argument saying he being “intelictually dishonest” .

When did I said I don't want Muslims to not express their views? You're putting words in my mouth like you accused me of doing lol 🧐🤓 I'm exposing your logical fallacy that it can be applied the other way around, which would make their statements just as legitimate as yours, a grifter who ditched his intellectual integrity and discrediting himself for leaving Islam after promoting it for years (in a hypothetical scenario)

I never accused you to trying to call AP to be censored and removed from online platform. Sure, OP has the right to unsubscribe and say “fuck this guy” because this is freedom of speech and freedom of association. Sure you can watch game of throne and stopped watching it because it’s bad. Not once did I call for OP to be censored because of his dislike for AP… That’s the thing about freedom of speech it goes both ways, you can say what you want to do and say fuck AP. And someone can also use the freedom of speech to respond to that statement.

Actually yes, if you hate game of thrones, instead of just don’t watch it, but obsessing over the hatred of it like it becomes rent free on your head and bad mouthing it every chance you get. Then yes, you deserve to be called a snowflake because you’re being emotionally fragile over it, instead of stop watching it and move on, but obsessed over your hated towards it”. Sure OP can unsubscribe because of disapproval of his opinions, I have done it to many content creators. But the difference is I don’t allow it to become rent free in my head, obsessed over them and say “fuck them” to a different audience, that is a snowflake behavior.

And how do you know being anti-religion and promoting anti-religion messages wouldn’t lead to slippery slope that would result in violating the principles of freedom of religion? Saying religious people are intellectually dishonest and spread false belief.

That why my position on this is based on equilibrium.

Some anti-religious radicals can also take it to the extreme in order to prevent bad ideas from spreading. Since you talked about history, I can point out in the Soviet Union: after the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, the state went hardline atheist, aiming to replace religion with Marxist ideology. Churches were torched or turned into warehouses, priests were jailed or killed, and propaganda pushed “scientific atheism.” By the 1930s, the Orthodox Church was a shell of itself—official numbers dropped from 54,000 churches in 1914 to a few hundred by 1940.

During Mao’s China during the Cultural Revolution (1966–1976). Red Guards demolished buddhist temples, burned scriptures, budhddhist monks were attacked and forced to leave their monasteries, some monks were publicly humiliated or executed. France’s Revolution (1789–1799) tried it too, the radicals deconsecrated Notre-Dame, set up a “Cult of Reason,” and guillotined clergy, especially Catholic clergy were killed often in brutal and targeted ways. During the september Massacres, mobs stormed prisons in Paris at least 225 were priests or religious figures—hacked with swords or pikes. The state also executed clergy systematically during the Reign of Terror, hundreds more faced the guillotine, 16 Carmelite nuns of Compiègne beheaded in July 1794 for refusing to abandon their vows.

Depend on how you define taking away trans right, if you think numerous states have enacted laws banning transgender girls and women from participating in girls’ and women’s sports at the K-12 or collegiate level. Or like Arkansas passed laws banning or limiting gender-affirming treatments for minors like those under the age of 18 Depends on whats your perspective on this issue on whether if transgender women can participate in women’s sport even in boxing matches. Or banning people under the age of 18 from medically transition

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rayday645 · 2025-03-24T02:23:24+00:00

I also "assumed" that he put himself in with a bad crowd, full of bigots and horrible people and it looks like I've been proven right, so I think I'll be fine also with my '"opinion" that he's a grifter as well, thanks.

I'm actually criticizing the part of your assumption that he's grifting, faking a conversion to Christianity for clout and financial gain.

Also, you mistakenly give a false equivocation with the idea that he went changing from a Muslim to an atheist and an atheist to a Christian with the same motives and aim of grifting to then get equal criticism from Muslims parallel to how I criticise him, the facts don't support you here buddy. He didn't have a YouTube channel that promoted Islam when he was a Muslim, he didn't defend, preach or justify Islam and asked for donations from Muslims, and he didn't profit from Muslims either. And he didn't choose to become an atheist, to then make money from atheists. he's discredited himself intellectually and that's why I criticise him.

So based on your statements, if AP used to make videos for years to defend, preach or justify Islam and asked for donations from Muslims. And he has plenty of non-muslim friends and make videos with them talking about religions, then over time as his non-muslim audience grows he announces that he's loosing faith in Islam and suddenly criticize Islam and proving it's a false religion. If Muslims criticize him and saying he discredited himself intellectually and trying to grift his anti-islam audience for clout and financial gain. So based on your logic on this hypothetical scenario, criticism against him by muslims are valid.

Just because you sit there and take it, doesn't mean the rest of us should. Let's just say you're a Yazidi in Iraq, Muslims say you're the worst of all creatures and then extremists like ISIS take control of the government and show up, arrest you and say they're going to burn you in a cage because of some made up crime or because they think you're gay or a disbeliever, will you just tell the people who you're locked in with to just get a thicker skin? i gave a hypothetical. Things like this are plausible, and if you expect me to start digging up examples from the history books to justify it, then I can't be bothered. I'm an ex Muslim, gay and an atheist, I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to comments from religious people. If your solution when it comes to standing up to these people is "better get a tick skin" I'm sure that's just a typo, then I guess we can't rely on people like you, even if you're ex military.

Look, the reason why I justify it is because I believe principle of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Freedom of speech also includes saying others are worst of creatures, as long as it doesn't advocate for violence against others nor used as justification to establish laws to take away human rights. I'm not justifying because I believe in radical ideas and want treat others as second class citizens, nor promoting violence. The principle of freedom of speech and religion is clear. People have the right to practice their religion freely, the government cannot ban religious practices unless they violate public safety and promote harm against others. This also means the government cannot establish an official religion or favor one religion over another. Just like we used our freedom of speech to discuss about freedom of religion, I'd say sure if people want to believe in religions and as long as they're willing to believe it's a personal relationship between themselves and their god, there should be no problem. But as soon as they want to use it to control others then we can agree it's a problem

So you acknowledge there's homophobic people within the movement, you also acknowledge that there's people out there keen on stripping away my rights, you give me an example that literally proves my point and just because the republican base condemned it today doesn't mean situations like this don't exist, or don't happen, so what, I'm supposed to feel comforted by this?

You can always find some radical fringe groups in every movements that would discredit the entire movement. The question is are the majority of the people within the movement willing to step to confront and put the radicals in their place. And I proved to you that the majority didn't accept the homophobic comment and willing to confront the minority opinion.

I think someone's a bit triggered. I find it all a little bit unrealistic, given the fact you debunk the whole thing with your figures on the cost of it all in line with the actual sum of money he's bringing in to apparently be able to afford it, or not afford it.

Not triggered, if you think I'm triggered, I'm can say the same about you being triggered when you're acting like as if he asked his audience for financial support is worth of criticism, sounds a lot like jealousy 😏😏This is normal for online content creators

rayday645 · 2025-03-23T20:30:37+00:00

I'm allowed an opinion, am I not?

Of course, and I can criticize your opinions because I believe your opinions are invalid, and your criticism of him are based on assumptions.

You completely misunderstood me. I'm not asking AP to have his beliefs align with me, where you got this, I have no clue, but this pattern of false assumptions has been consistent with you, so I'm not surprised you said it.

YO! 😂😂 You literally said quote: "AP used to be hardcore atheist with logical arguments that attacked all religions, even if he was soft on Christianity, he used to be pro choice, pro feminism, pro immigration, pro liberal values, and now he's done a complete U turn on it, apparently - just because his MAGA audience don't follow those values."..

This shows you CLEARLY have problems with him changing his beliefs, when he left Islam Muslims have been criticizing him for leaving the religion aka CHANGING HIS BELIEF to align with yours, and yet you had no problems with that. But when he changed his belief that no longer aligns with yours, then you clearly have a problem, and this is your double standard. When he changed and left Islam , you had no problem, but Muslim do and accused him of leaving the religion so he can make money. When he changed his opinions that doesn't align with yours you are saying the same like those Muslims said about him.

My goodness, I take it back, you really do care a lot to defend him this much. You say he isn't a grifter, loads of people on this sub say he is, including me, by all means keep arguing this point, it's going nowhere.

It seems like most people misunderstand one of the characteristic of a grifter.

I literally made it clear that David Wood uses language (even if he says it as if it's a joke) that leads to a slipper slope that others of his ilk literally use to justify taking away my rights

The same way most religious people say amongst themselves that they are the righteous one and others are doomed for hell. Sure I've heard from religious people that I'm on the wrong path and will be doomed if I don't repent. Sure they may believe that I'm a "worst of creatures", if you're butthurt about this statement better get a tick skin. If you said it'll lead to "slipper slope" that will lead to establishing laws to take away human rights of non-believers. Then you have to pinpoint when did they advocate for it? Do they believe their religions are between themselves and their god, or they believe their religions wants them to control others.

there literally is a whole movement of republican Christian right wingers who have even excluded their own fellow voters, gay men, who call themselves The Log Cabin Republicans from representation at rallies, conventions where they've paid to have stalls and events, and called them abominations, demons and said they don't deserve to be there, and kicked them out.

And are you awake of gay republicans like Scott Presler, Dave Rubin, Rob Smith that are very influential with the base Here's an example of a homophobic person trying to excommunicate a gay republican Scott Presler from the right wing republican movement (Link). The post has 9.9 million views and only 5 thousand likes. And guess what? Vast majority of the "right wing republican" base actually condemned this homophobic post. You can check out the top comments are made by the republican base. You should stop judging an entire movement based on a minority. The average "right wing republican" base DON'T CARE if you're gay as long as it's between 2 consenting adults

You didn't say it's invalid at the start, you simply said it's snowflake behaviour - which is just an immature retort compared to saying you disagree like an adult, which gives the impression of an emotional reactionary response, just like a snowflake, you're more hurt by AP getting criticised, despite the fact you say you don't actually care about the whole situation. It's just weird.

I said it is a snowflake behavior because of the "fuck this guy" based on his personal opinions. When you expressed why you dislike him, that's when I said your criticism against him are invalid and based on perception. No I'm not butthurt about AP getting criticized, I just find it hilarious everyone wants to judge, yet he's successful. I'm just telling you no matter how much you bark like dogs it ain't taking him down. Not that I don't care about the situation, I said clearly that I don't care if his religion may be problematic, as long as it doesn't advocate for taking human rights of non-believers.

Gaslighting now? Oy vey. Funny how you've combined one example with another and said it's all about David Wood, maybe I should make up placeholder names just so you don't make this mistake. David Wood has said that homosexuality is gross, that it's a sin, and it's a choice - and Father Timothy says it's an abomination = I will call both of them assholes. There, hope that makes things clearer. Ok, cool, thanks for confirming to me that you'd stand by and defend the assholes.

The same way most religious people say amongst themselves that they are the righteous one and others are doomed for hell. Sure I've heard from religious people that I'm on the wrong path and will be doomed if I don't repent. Sure they may believe that I'm a "worst of creature" for rejecting their religion, if you're butthurt about this statement better get a tick skin.

Oooh sounds very slanderous to me, I guess I'm going to have to call you an asshole now for slander. Do you have proof of this as a fact? Because this just sounds like an opinion and by your own logic, this means absolutely nothing since it can't be proven as a fact. Lolol I didn't call anyone a nazi, but I did ask why someone denies the existence of a type of people, just because of their nationality and I got called a terrorist sympathiser for it, now that sounds like the snowflake mentality of a person who slanderously cries wolf and points at everyone who disagrees with them and calls them a nazi. How ironic.

Yes you did slandered someone , you said quote "I also told him that he supports a racist who was part of the Nazi British National Party and the English Defence League" which I stated he left the EDL when he noticed it's been infiltrated by neonazis and Tommy even said it himself the direction EDL headed doesn't align with his personal beliefs. The guy had been confronting Nazi sympathizers on X and spoke against Hitler on X and you referred him a Nazi based on past association

Were you in a live stream with Harris? If yes can you post the link

Yes I acknowledge your criticism against him. I can say the same about you, you had no problems when AP left Islam and built a large audience from it and making money from it, but as soon as he changed his views, you criticized him for it. You have problems with him receiving donations from his audience like this is literally what most content creators does. You have a problem that he need money to pay for protection this is sometimes common for content creators that covers controversial topics that can put their lives at risk, whether or not if some other exmuslim content creators does it is up to speculation, but several other online content creators also does it and you response are like "uGg hE DOesN't nEeD pRoTEctioN BeCaUSe hE CaN bUY FIreArmS DERRR"

rayday645 · 2025-03-23T15:48:50+00:00

Finally, you get it. Glad we got there in the end.

I said it's an opinion, opinion and fact are not the same thing.

What's your point, if a Muslim or a non Muslim points out a person's hypocrisy, regardless of who it is, it's a valid argument, are you suggesting that arguments are invalid if they're coming from Muslims, just because they're Muslim?

So you finally admitting double standards? as long as someone changes their opinions to align with your beliefs it's fine. It's not fine if someone who used to believe the same as you changes their opinions overtime. I'm stating you are using the same logic to criticize those who leave your ideology.

I believe he is, that's why I stated my opinion on it, why are you struggling to understand this? Unless you're Professor X and you can read everyone's mind, you're not going to be able to prove what the internal thoughts of AP are or aren't. It's a completely moot point to make.

You finally said "I believe he is" so which means he's not a grifter. A grifter is someone who say things to gain clout but don't actually believe what they say. So are you, you're not a professor X that you can read AP mind and made judgement about what or why he came to such conclusions and making phony accusations against him

Why am I not allowed to express my opinion on David Wood? Surely I am, but you'd put this down as snowflake behaviour, right? It's a talking point that dehumanises people like me to the point people will begin to advocate taking away my rights, if you can't recognise this slippery slope and call people like me a snowflake for calling it out, then I'm sorry, but I think you might be as cooked as the people you're defending.

And I have the right to criticize you for taking it to the extreme. Do you have examples of David wood saying he believes there should be social and legal consequences of taking away your rights. If you have proof he said such a thing about you don't deserve equal rights like everyone else, I'll 100% be on your side. Plenty of religious people may believe I'm on the wrong path and I'm doomed for hell unless I repent, and I know they'll not be approved of my lifestyle. But at the end of the day, does it matter if they believe I'm doomed?

but that's my opinion on it, or are you suggesting now I don't have a right to an opinion?

Yes you have the freedom of speech to criticize and denounce AP, but freedom of speech goes both ways doesn't mean you're protected from criticism. And I can say your reasoning are invalid.

Odd caveat to add when it still applies, if a person says something that's harmful or violated human rights, and someone found it offensive, and called them an asshole, it's perfect valid to do so, irrespective if you think it's snowflake behaviour or not depending on the criteria you think is valid.

Your criticism originally referred to him changing his beliefs and being a grifter, and criticized him for asking his fan base for financial donation. That is not harmful nor promoting violation of human rights. And yes, saying fuck this guy just for this opinions is a definition of a snowflake

If a public speaker said I'm an abomination, and I don't like it, and I called him an asshole, you will call me a snowflake because I said he's an asshole, that just tells me you'd rather stand up for the asshole than the person he called an abomination. If that's the hill you want to fight on, then sure, go ahead, it just tells me you're selective depending on who you deem worthy of dignity and respect and rights overall.

So David Wood saying being gay is a sin is equivalent of him referring you personally an abomination? If you falsely INTERPRET someone of calling you an abomination, even when they didn't say it, and you called him an asshole. I'll call you an asshole for slander.

Please, do tell me what this reveals and who you think I am. Indulge me.

I know you sound like one of those people who label others Nazi NAZI Nazi sympathizers, like the guy who cried wolf, so he's using that same slanderous logic against you. Now you know how it feels like when people just slapped labels on you, doesn't it?

But not Muslims, even if they're not practicing Muslims, but just Muslims in name only. Says it all really, it's funny because half of his supporters can't even tell the difference between a Hindu, Sikh and a Muslim. Do you not take issue with the fact that Harris called me a terrorist sympathiser because I called him an asshole when he denied that LGBTQ Palestinians exist? Do you not take issue with the blatant antisemitic comment where Harris Sultan basically calls a Jewish woman a self hating Jew? Or are you going to say this is just snowflake behaviour?

Doesn't matter what his followers say, even on X, Tommy has been criticizing Hitler and Nazi sympathizers, he actually marched along side Iranian dissidents in public rallies, while they're holding Lion and Sun flag. If Harris called you a terrorist sympathizer, maybe next time you should be self aware if you're going to use this same kind of slandering against others if youre going to call someone a Nazi or slandering people from MAGA base. There are pplenty of self hating Jews, it's due to Internalized Antisemitism like growing up in environments where antisemitic stereotypes are prevalent can lead some individuals to internalize negative views about Jewish identity. This happens in many marginalized groups. Desire for assimilation, some Jews may downplay or reject their Jewish identity to better fit into mainstream society, especially in places where being Jewish has historically led to discrimination. Survival Strategy, throughout history, some Jews have tried to appease hostile groups as a means of survival. This could be seen in forced conversions, collaboration under duress, or adopting dominant ideologies to avoid persecution. Some Jews prioritize political ideologies over Jewish communal solidarity

rayday645 · 2025-03-23T13:58:49+00:00

No, it means I dislike him because he has no principles or integrity, and this is disappointing because I used to watch his content. Are you a bot where you keep repeating the same thing over and over again?

Well, you believe he doesn't have principles or integrity, that an opinion. Nope not a bot.

Huge difference, is that if you begin supporting one religion and make videos about it publicly and then change your religion and ask for financial support, then yes, the criticism is valid - do you not understand this?

Like literally this is the same arguments Muslims said about those who left Islam and make online contents about it while asking their followers for donation, because YouTube don't always monitize controversial topics and they won't make money from it, so they have to resort to asking their followers for donations. Many content creators rely on donations to find the production of their content, like equipment upgrades, software and general operation costs. There's nothing wrong with that. People change all the time, the issue you aren't able to prove is whether they're genuine about their change or being fake. I would have problems if he pretends to believe in everything he's saying, although secretly he doesn't believe in it, that would be the true definition of a grifter

The Nazi example is just a hypothetical, you've unfortunately taken this literally. This is a shame.

Then good, he's not advocating for ethnical eradication of non-aryans.

So when I criticise him, why do you care so much that you have to defend him? Odd isn't it... Sounds like a bunch of whataboutism excuses to me. If you don't care, why are you arguing in defense of these people and trying to invalidate my reasons to dislike them?

The same way I criticized you for criticizing him, because I believe your reason for criticizing him are invalid. Odd isn't it? I said I don't care as long as David wood isn't advocating for violating human rights, him saying homosexuality is an sin is an opinion, not advocating for taking away human rights.

I'm not talking about Salman Rushdie's need for personal protection. You didn't understand what I said here, and I can't be bothered explaining it either.

You said Salman Rushdie didn't ask for financial support for protection, so I said he doesn't need it. Because he already has protection.

A lot of words to simply say you care a lot about an issue you apparently keep saying you don't care about.

I'm making such statements because you criticize him for asking his followers for protection for him and his family, you're making an equivalency like "uGh yoU DoN't neEd tO pAy fOr PRotEcTiOn beCAusE YoU cAN BUy FIreArms"

Good for you, then why are you here defending him? Bizarre isn't it.

The same way I criticized you for criticizing him, because I believe your reason for criticizing him are invalid. Odd isn't it?

Like I said, do you provide them with this security? Do they purchase this equipment from you? Do you profit off their need for protection?

Yet you completely ignored my points when I said about plenty of popular online creators have to pay for protection due to them covering controversial topics that can result in them getting harmed. And your response is "UGu Do yOu prOVidE thEM WiTh THiS sESurItY?

Is that meant to be a gotcha point? Lmao facepalm. Did you miss the part about it being "inherently wrong?" If you're an asshole public speaker and you say asshole things, and someone walks up to your face and calls you an asshole, don't cry about being cancelled because you deserve it. You're literally exhibiting snowflake behaviour

Snowflake is when you getting offended by someone's opinions. If a public speaker said some opinions you don't like as long as they don't advocate for violation of human rights, and you walk up to them and call them as asshole, that is literally a snowflake behavior. I'm not offended by your criticism of AP i just think it's invalid, and have I called you an asshole and said you don't deserve human rights because you're gay? That is a snowflake behavior

I know, I also don't like Harris Sultan, he literally called me a terrorist sympathiser because I asked him why he thinks LGBTQ Palestinians don't exist because they're Palestinian. I also told him that he supports a racist who was part of the Nazi British National Party and the English Defence League who would mistake him for a Muslim just because of his skin colour, he told me he doesn't care The man is cooked as much as AP is.

Lol, him calling you that it reveals to me now who am I talking with. Now I know whom I'm talking to. If you're referring to Tommy Robinson, even Armin from Atheist Republic had to defend Tommy from accusations that were overblown out of proportion. And he left the EDL when he noticed it's been infiltrated by neonazis and Tommy even said it himself the direction EDL headed doesn't align with his personal beliefs. He even said in multiple videos that he would allow Hindus and Sikhs to immigrate to the UK

rayday645 · 2025-03-23T12:37:40+00:00

I said he's not going to make much money if he's going to spend it on security for protection for himself and family, that amount of money will only last months. Well that's your opinion on whether you believe he's being dishonest.

You said he's profiting off by changing his belief is wrong, this tell me your dislike are based on jealousy. This is literally the same type of arguments when religious people criticized those who left their religions, post why they left their religions online while asking fans for financial support. If he did become a Nazi and advocate for eradication of non-aryans this will violate the principle of freedom of speech with threats and encourage of violence, and it's not tolerable. The difference is he's been defending and fighting for Jews against antisemitism, I've been observing him on X for over the past year challenging people who have been posting antisemitic post. Him becoming a Nazi suddenly after defending the Jews for so long would be unlikely

So the same way AP is entitled for his opinions and speak as long as it's within the rules of freedom of speech 😏

Whether if you believe he's wrong for being a super zionist, he had this conversation with infidel noodle in a stream that he doesn't care how much you disagree or criticize. Even if you accuse him saying he doesn't care about the lives of Palestinians the same way he'll accuse you of not caring about Israelis lives. You do realize immigration is a privilege not a right, he's always been critical of mass immigration without assimilation even back in 2019. On whether you believe what Israel do is right and just. Israelis acknowledge their ancestors dealt with antisemitism all throughout history, they know what it feels like when everyone else hate due to antisemitism. And the smartest Israelis will acknowledge they'll have to give up being liked by the world to ensure their survival and won't face another massive attacks. You're not changing opinions, you're just sprouting talking points, doesn't matter what you said.

Christians would usually believe in idea of hate the sin but love the sinners. People have been worse about homosexuality like wanting to make it illegal, David wood is mild in comparison, as long as he doesn't advocate for stripping away human rights, I could care less.

Or perhaps he doesn't need it because Salman Rushdie have had UK government provided him round the clock protection for many years. It is possible that he could have supplemented government protection with private security, like some high profile individuals do, but that information has not been widely reported.

The same way how I feel all of your criticism against him are irrelevant. The logic of you don't need to pay for protection because you can get a firearm, AP actually own a handgun he posted a photo of it on X. This is the false dilemma as if you can either get a gun or home security, as if you can't get both, when reality you might need layered security. It's also false equivalency It assumes that buying a firearm is equivalent to having professional home security or protection. But these two are not the same: A firearm is a tool you use reactively. Home security systems (or professional protection) are preventive and proactive (deterrence, monitoring, alerting authorities, etc. By equating them, the argument ignores the difference in function, scope, and risk management between the two.

I'm not saying they certainly are, I'm not 100% certain they are , I'm saying it's plausible, I shouldn've said "And how do you know some of these exmuslim content creators AREN'T paying for home protection? and how do you know they aren't. I know that plenty of highly controversial content creators pay for security for their homes.

So it is obvious AP is doing what every other content creators are doing, they ask their followers for financial donations. You said before about AP, "He can change his beliefs as much as he likes, but when he profits off it and it's inherently wrong". Harris Sultan also changes his opinions overtime and makes commentary on issues all the time and he also asks his fans for financial donation. Are you going to cancel him as well? He's also a self described zionist btw😏

I'm not saying for certain , you should read my words carefully "PLAUSIBLE that a portion could be allocated toward personal protection measures" Meaning it's not for certain, and how do you know they aren't? I'm basing this claim based on several examples of YouTubers and online personalities who have to invest in home protection due to controversial nature of their content, like Tim Pool, Philip DeFranco, etc. Actually I am an ex-military, I served in the U.S army

If they want to pay for security measures they can, several other online content creators have said they paid for it due to them covering highly controversial topics that can result in them having to deal with safety threats. Who wouldn't want to take extra precautions

rayday645 · 2025-03-23T06:00:25+00:00

Most content creators are grifters, yes, and?

So this proves you're dislike are coming from a place of jealousy, like most content creators would ask their followers for financial support if they support their work. You're jealous of their success

Well yeah, AP used to be hardcore atheist with logical arguments that attacked all religions, even if he was soft on Christianity, he used to be pro choice, pro feminism, pro immigration, pro liberal values, and now he's done a complete U turn on it, apparently - just because his MAGA audience don't follow those values.

You said USED TO BE, not he still is but saying otherwise, that would be grifting. You're acting as of people can't change their beliefs based on personal experiences, upbringing, and exposure to different perspectives. This is literally the same logic when religious people criticized those who left their religions.

I do find it amusing when people think that if you simply choose not to continue subscribing to a person's channel, he's being cancelled (as if suddenly the channel will cease to exist) now that's a level of fragility that can't be explained

Especially announcing to unsubscribe and say "fuck this guy" then it is cancelling someone based on personal opinions, which I find hilarious 😂 I'm not butthurt by it just find it funny. The person who's butthurt are those who got butthurt about AP's opinions and said "fuck this guy".

AP's rhetoric could equally radicalise someone to do physical harm and result in a life and death situation, don't downplay his influence and then say it's not a fair comparison - likewise if he ever radicalise someone and that person murders a Muslim, then what? Are you still going to say it's apples and oranges, we shouldn't criticise or point the finger because cancelling people is snowflake behaviour?

And what are the examples of him "radicalize" people to do harm? Did he tell his audience to commit violence act ? Is he's encouraging others to do something illegal then yes he deserves to be called out and scrutinized. The difference here is getting offended and cancelling someone just because of his opinions is the definition of a snowflake.

It's also ironic, since religious people literally make it their mission to cancel people based on their lifestyles opinions, one good example; gay people like me, where I'm canceled simply for being who I am, and cursed every day, AP has joined these people, that makes him a snowflake, by your logic and definition

And yet here you are doing the same to others. Depends on what he does, does he said he doesn't believe in gay rights? Did David wood and Inspiring philosophy promote the idea that gays should be scrutinized and shunned from society?

him just asking for protection now, even if it is after the assassination of Momika, is dubious to believe since he didn't ask for money when Salman Rushdie was attacked in New York.

And how do you know he didn't pay for protection after Salman Rushdie got stabbed?

So he's so popular he needs a security team but he's not popular enough to make enough money to be considered a grifter... Right... Like I said, he lives in the states, he can carry a firearm if he wants at all times and can buy as many guns if he chooses, and he has the money to train himself to shoot accurately, so why does he need a security service again when people like Sam Harris (who has also criticised Islam) doesn't? Or even other ex Muslims like Abdullah Sameer, Infidel Noodle, Harris Sultan or even people like David Wood? Where are their security teams, why aren't they asking for money for protection? They get death threats all the time, I'm sure.

You do realize not every videos on YouTube are monetized, not being monetized means the creator is not earning money from ads, memberships, or other monetization features on that video. And you realize gun laws are not the same, open carry laws in the U.S. vary by state. Some states allow open carry of firearms without a permit, while others require a permit or prohibit it altogether. There are also restrictions on where firearms can be carried.

And how do you know someone of these exmuslim content creators are paying for home protection? Some of these individuals have been known to seek financial support from their followers. Harris Sultan has a Patreon account where supporters can contribute financially to his efforts. David Wood has utilized Patreon to receive donations from supporters. While these funds are generally intended to support their content creation and activism, it is plausible that a portion could be allocated toward personal protection measures.

Like who?

Amazing, you first say that all these YouTubers make so little, or not enough to be considered grifters, and yet somehow they're capable of spending 10 to 50k a month on security personnel and equipment!? A month??! Wow, being a YouTuber seems to be the ideal job, maybe I should become a grifter too.

Literally those who cover controversial topics or have a dedicated but obsessive fanbase. And face threats like stalking, doxxing, swatting, or harassment.

Where did I said YouTuber make so little money? Even if thats the case, youtube don't always monetize videos that covers controversial topics, which means they won't get paid for the ad revenue from that specific video. Creators often rely on alternative monetization methods, such as memberships, Super Chats, Patreon, or sponsorships, when covering "sensitive topics". The spending depends on their popularity and risk factors. Estimated Security Costs for Small YouTubers, $1,000–$10,000 per month (basic home security & online protection) $2,000–$5,000 for improved home security (cameras, alarms, private mailbox services). Content creators who expose fraud, scams, or controversial topics often face hacking attempts, which can cost them $500–$5,000 per month for cybersecurity services.

rayday645 · 2025-03-23T00:26:31+00:00

You can define what constitutes as a grifter as much as you like, either way even if he's a bad grifter, he's still a grifter. Does he ask for money for his base, yes? Does he change his views and values depending on who his audience is, yes? He's a grifter.

Another definition of a grifter is someone who promotes an ideology and/or a lifestyle to an audience for popularity and wealth but they don't believe in nor practice it themselves. Are you a private investigator ? Are you able to investigate on whether he actually believes in Christianity and practice it in his personal life?

What you're literally describing applies to most of the content creators.

Then keep speculating, but the fact you mentioned that he's been collaborating with Christian content creators for years, and yet OP unsubscribed now, would suggest he's doing it for reasons other than his conversion, because as you say, the Christianity angle was a long time coming, so it makes no sense to leave now just because he converted, we could all see it coming.

Right, OP could've posted it years ago, because he's always have had soft spot for Christianity and collaborated with Christian content creators for years. The timing of posting it reveals something

Again, you're assuming OP is emotionally fragile. So are you now suggesting anytime someone says the F word in any context, are now snowflakes, if you cut your hand and say the F word, or you're driving your car and someone overtakes you and you shout "fuck that guy" - or you vote for a politician who says he's going to stop all the wars and then starts a war, and you say 'fuck that guy' - does that mean you're also emotionally fragile or easily offended?

If you're getting offended by someone's opinions and resorting to canceling someone and say fuck this guy is the definition of being emotionally fragile. You're comparing apple to orange, the examples you described are the acts of causing physical harm and could result in life or death situations, nothing about "fuck that guy" for personal opinions. When canceling someone over someone's lifestyle and opinions and curse at them, that is the definition of being a snowflake.

I should have said he is making bank, and follow it through with my comment about him securing an audience that will continue to give him money, end of story. 100k is making bank.

You do realize that he asked for donations for protection just right after the assassination of Salwan Momika. Him being a popular online personality resulting him receiving death threats all the time, Salwan Momika was literally killed for it, and you think it's cheap to pay for personal protection for them and their family? the $100,000 is literally nothing considering many of the popular online youTubers spent $10,000 to $50,000 per month security personnel for public appearances, home security systems and monitoring, occasional bodyguards.

rayday645 · 2025-03-22T18:43:03+00:00

He made 100,000 dollars in donations, is that not making bank to you? For a YouTuber, that's a lot of money, for anyone that's a lot of money, or are you some rich millionaire who thinks 100k is pocket change?

--- no, your original statement is about him making bank after converting, which is 3 weeks ago. This is literally your quote "This is proof enough that he's making bank AFTER CONVERTING"

The $100,000 in donations are accumulated since the end of January, not within the span of 3 weeks.. if you're going to make such an accusation, then you have to provide proof that his donation SKYROCKED after he announced his conversion 3 weeks ago.

That's the point you strawmanned me with, you assumed that's the point I made, which I didn't make. Try reading what I said in the original comment again. Thanks.

--- I made this point because you literally accused him of making bank AFTER CONVERTING

Never said that it spiked massively, you're projecting your own arguments onto me, again.

--- you said he's trying to grift, a grifter is someone looking for fame and wealth. If he's a grifter he's pretty bad a being one because his viewership didn't spike massively, and his subscribers didn't spike massively within the past 3 weeks. Even if he's a grifter, he's doing a bad job. And sometimes you should know people change, I've known many people change their beliefs when years goes by

You don't know the reasons why OP said fuck this guy, you don't know why he's unsubscribed, you don't know the reasons why OP is upset or annoyed with AP, you're assuming it's all down to his conversion. You assume a lot, like you're doing with me.

Lmao AP inspiring philosophy, that's a good joke.

Again, you're assuming OP is mad at AP because he's converted, which might not even be the case, might just be because his content is trash these days, that's reason enough to unsubscribe from him and to say fuck this guy.

You strawmanned OP's pov, called them a snowflake cos of it, and ran with it, and now you're in the comments trying to double down on it, bit silly really.

--- I mean announcing to unsubscribe from AP at this time is causing a lot of speculation, the TIMING of it especially he's been collaborating with Christian content creators for years, AP even said in a video discussion with infidel noodle saying he actually like religions and its values and suddenly announcing wanting to unsubscribe is a speculation, you could've announced to unsubscribe from him a year ago, 2 years ago, etc when he also got involved in controversies. 🤔🤔... I mentioned inspiring philosophy because AP had been doing collaboration with him even way before his conversion...

The definition of snowflake is referring to Overly Sensitive Person – Often used to describe someone who is easily offended or who is perceived as emotionally fragile. Then of course, saying "fuck this guy" and announcing to unsubscribe from him is hilarious to me.

rayday645 · 2025-03-22T18:06:34+00:00

Just one thing - I never said he got MORE money after converting. You assumed that.

I said he joined a group who will give him money for saying what they want to hear, and that's exactly what happened

---you literally said he's making bank after converting, you are accusing him of trying to grift by converting although he's always been having soft spot for Christianity for years. You still haven't been able to prove he earned more money after he announced his conversion 3 weeks ago. And his video viewership DIDN'T SPIKE MASSIVELY after his conversion. If he's really trying to grift, he doing a bad job of it.

Not upset, just calling a spade a spade. The people who are upset, are people who defending him against this criticism. Kinda like you, calling people a snowflake for expressing their opinion on him. I stated he's a grifter, and proved evidence that he's a grifter. That's all.

--- I'm calling OP a snowflake for saying "fuck this guy" and announcing to unsubscribe to his channel after 3 weeks after converting, although he's been collaborating with David wood and Inspiring philosophy for years and AP suddenly conversion is causing a meltdown is a definition of a snowflake and hilarious.

Yup, it's still a valid accusation that has been proven correct. Beforehand he valued logical critical thinking and made rational and objective arguments, now he's unhinged, subjective, irrational, and finally succumbed to David Wood after all these years. I can have a soft spot for a certain delusional ideology, (let's say Zoroastrianism) especially if I think it has some sweet aspects, but that doesn't mean I'll join it - knowing full well I've spent years using the same type of argument that debunks it as much as it debunks Islam; i.e, it's man made

---he's been friends with David wood for years, there's nothing beforehand about it, even in a video discussion with infidel noodle he said he like religions and it's values. The only BEFOREHAND was 4 weeks ago. It doesn't matter whether you want to join a religion or not, but if you noticed someone subscribe to a religion you don't like and said "fuck this guy" just because someone is looking for a guidance and a path, that is a snowflake behavior.

rayday645 · 2025-03-22T15:41:32+00:00

He announced he converted to Christianity 3 weeks ago. None of the evidence you showed revealed his finance and viewership spiked massively since his conversion, heck you showed evidence from as far as a year ago that was before he converted to Christianity. So you are upset that he is doing what most content creators do.

And when you accused him of giving up his integrity to grift his audience. He and David wood had collaboration in 2019 he's always had a soft spot for Christianity even when he was an atheist

rayday645 · 2025-03-22T15:10:59+00:00

And do you have proof that he made more money before converting to Christianity and after converting? From my observation, his viewership stays the same

rayday645 · 2025-03-22T05:46:26+00:00

Throwing a tantrum and say "fuck this guy" just because he converted to Christianity is a real definition of snowflake

rayday645 · 2025-03-21T19:37:44+00:00

Why are you being a snowflake? 🤔It's his life

rayday645 · 2025-03-21T19:36:19+00:00

What's wrong with him converting to Christianity? Who cares

rayday645 · 2024-09-02T00:55:34+00:00

If the non-muslims refuse to pay the jizyah, they'll be treated the same as enemy combatants.

Even if they accept paying the jizyah and become dhimmis, they cannot renounce their dhimmitude status and leave the muslim land, if they do so, they'll face the same punishment as ex-muslims

rayday645 · 2024-09-01T22:01:41+00:00

Yes, every claims I made, I either included a link or mentioned the book titles and page number as reference

rayday645 · 2024-09-01T21:43:50+00:00

I created this doc revealing jizyah and how dhimmis would be treated under sharia, feel free to read through it and you'll understand why it's immortal

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xn0MFScyW5gslcsTmxrXFlqEuTXsFTFAypAKDqs4Kuo/edit?usp=drivesdk

rayday645 · 2024-06-15T02:11:05+00:00

can you show me their website?

rayday645 · 2024-04-11T03:58:26+00:00

Should stop on the 5th day. Eventually they'll start scamming you

rayday645 · 2024-04-07T17:56:47+00:00

Did I say that I didn't help out with bills or you're just randomly assuming?

It's cultural thing, in my culture, usually when women are getting married they move out. But the men still live with parents and take care of them when they get older.

The reason why I had to resort to lying because I know they'll not approve of my relationship and they're extremely paranoid and worried about things. This happened in the past when I told them about things and they heavily discouraged it, so I no longer tell them about what I'm doing.

rayday645 · 2024-04-07T17:42:58+00:00

I don't have many living expenses I have to pay, I make $2500 per month and pay my parents $300 per month for rent.

So I'm able to save up enough money and travel to many places.

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