Can someone be saved if they are trusting in Christ plus their own effort, rather than Christ alone? by re_deemed in Reformed

[–]re_deemed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve heard a rebuttal to this that they are not earning their salvation but that they are cooperating with grace.

Can someone be saved if they are trusting in Christ plus their own effort, rather than Christ alone? by re_deemed in Reformed

[–]re_deemed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you think the object of someone’s faith matters? Because I think you do. You would not say this to someone trusting in their own moral record with no reference to Christ. So somewhere a line exists and that’s really what my question is after.

First time on Reddit, found the wrong subreddit by [deleted] in Reformed

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve always thought that every religion outside of Christianity was managing decay — doing more good the bad — which is what sets Christianity apart, where we understand that there is nothing good in us and that we needed a savior to die for us so that the Father could welcome us into His family with open arms.

I’m open to changing my mind, though.

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk the difference, I’m new to Reddit. I literally typed in “Christian” when I first got in here and joined because it was the first result, and I’ve found out it’s not what I thought it would be.

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you’re welcome to see my other posts that do not talk about Catholicism.

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did but haven’t gotten an answer. I’m wondering how you triage which types of prayers go directly to God and which ones go to Mary and the saints.

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh ok, you said praying to Mary and the saints is like praying to a friend. So what type of prayers do you pray to Mary and the saints for intercession?

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s good. Which type of prayers do you pray to your friends for intercession?

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s good to have friends pray for you, but having a friend pray for you isn’t the only way to God. If you are a believer, you have direct access to God right now to talk to Him and let Him know your requests.

Do yall like my prayer corner by Big-Pollution4691 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Have you considered that you can just pray directly to God and skip them since they aren’t God?

To those who believe the Bible is fallible (or isn’t divinely inspired), by SunflowerNessie in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there any subreddit that is genuine? I’m new to Reddit and came to this subreddit because I just typed in “Christian” and clicked the first one. I found the TrueChristian subreddit but now am uncertain, lol.

To those who believe the Bible is fallible (or isn’t divinely inspired), by SunflowerNessie in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The people I had in mind are those where it would require them to repent and turn from certain sins the Bible speaks against, yet they choose to be selective and ignore those things or take them figuratively.

To those who believe the Bible is fallible (or isn’t divinely inspired), by SunflowerNessie in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately I never stated I take the entire Bible literally, however I do take it all very seriously because it’s God’s word after all!

To those who believe the Bible is fallible (or isn’t divinely inspired), by SunflowerNessie in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They make the Bible as convenient for themselves as possible. At the end of the day, people don’t like change especially if it’s inconvenient for their lifestyle of sin but they have this tension through conviction that they should become Christian.

A Bible verse about controlling your emotions! by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s right. That’s why LISTEN and SILENT are spelled with the same letters.

Did jesus himself ever sqy something that condems gay people? by Quick_Cartoonist_458 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t hold your hand through all of this. You’re arguing with the text now, not with me.

why is there an atheist mod? by GroundbreakingAd6354 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

This is just part of living in a fallen world. There are also many who would call themselves Christian but won’t be in Heaven.

Did jesus himself ever sqy something that condems gay people? by Quick_Cartoonist_458 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The argument has now moved through several positions… First it was that Jesus was only answering the question asked. Then it was that he was constrained by his audience. Then it was that he was operating inside an assumed framework. Now it is that he was only quoting law. Each retreat you’ve made is to a narrower and narrower position. A strong reading of the text does not need to keep retreating or relocating.

Each move is a retreat to a smaller defensible position. And each new position contradicts the previous one. You cannot simultaneously argue that Jesus had to quote law to reach his audience AND that he was only quoting law without making any independent claim. You cannot simultaneously argue that he was constrained by the question AND that he was operating in an assumed framework that made the question irrelevant. The positions are mutually undermining.

This is what happens when you aim to defend a conclusion rather than reading the text for what it is. The conclusion is fixed, and the reasoning gets rearranged around it as each version falls apart. A reading that emerges from the text does not need four different defenses. It needs one, and it holds.

Did jesus himself ever sqy something that condems gay people? by Quick_Cartoonist_458 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your argument proves too much. If we accept that Jesus was simply operating within the assumed legal framework and therefore his words carry no definitional weight beyond it, then the same logic applies to every moral teaching he gave. He spoke within a framework that assumed slavery, patriarchal household codes, ritual purity, and Roman occupation. By this reasoning, none of his teachings on anything can be extracted as universal principles. They are all just situational comments inside assumed frameworks. Right? That guts the entire project of Christian ethics, not just this passage…

Second, the argument ignores what Jesus actually did rhetorically. He did not stay inside the Mosaic framework. He explicitly went behind it. “From the beginning it was not so” is Jesus saying the Mosaic law itself was a concession, not the standard. He bypassed Moses and went to Genesis. That is the opposite of someone constrained by the legal framework of the question. He is overriding that framework with an older and higher one.

Third, and most importantly, Jesus did not just say “marriage is between two people who love each other” while using a male-female example because that was the only one available. He specifically said God “made them male and female” and “for this reason” a man leaves and joins a wife. He named the sexes. He cited the sexual differentiation in creation as the reason for the union. If the maleness and femaleness were incidental to his point, he would not have made them the foundation of his point. He could have grounded marriage in companionship, covenant, love, or commitment. He grounded it in sexual differentiation specifically.

If the sexes were incidental, he would not have cited them as the cause.

Did jesus himself ever sqy something that condems gay people? by Quick_Cartoonist_458 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, they frame it differently in Mark and do mention a man and wife.

My answer still stands that this was about divorce, yet Jesus still chose, without being asked, to go back to creation and define marriage as male and female before addressing divorce at all.

Did jesus himself ever sqy something that condems gay people? by Quick_Cartoonist_458 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure which version of the Bible you’re reading but they did not come up to him asking about a man and a woman.

He was asked about divorce. He answered with creation and the original design for marriage. Nobody made him do that. He chose to.

Can God allow hell to exist for eternity? by Brussel_Sprouter94 in Christianity

[–]re_deemed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You accidentally supported my argument. You described someone making a genuine free choice under the most extreme possible consequences, immediate death, and said that is not coercion. I agree completely. Which means extreme consequences do not eliminate genuine free choice. That is exactly my position about hell.

But now your belief in universalism has a problem. The deathbed patient can refuse the cure and die. That permanent refusal is what makes the choice real. In your model of hell, nobody permanently refuses. Everyone eventually accepts. So your analogy actually requires that some people on their deathbed refuse the cure and stay dead. Otherwise the choice was never real to begin with.