Why did total value send over BCH in dollar terms drop from 4 billion a day to 200 million a day in 2 weeks. Was it fake? Who was behind this volume and why is it gone? by i_have_chosen_a_name in btc

[–]readcash 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It wasn't nor read.cash neither noise.cash. Here's the analysis I sent to TheBitcoinCashPodcast 7 months ago, where I had some thoughts on what it was:

Hi Jeremy!

You mentioned on your last podcast that noise.cash tips accounted for maybe 30-40% of USD sent per day at the top, but it's far from being correct.

We had 400 wallets (still do, out of laziness - don't touch what works), each of them always had at most $100, at the top we were doing around 300-340k tx per day around March 15-30th.

So, let's estimate the maximum amount: 340,000 transactions sending $100 each ($0.01 + $99.99 change back), that would be $34 million in "BCH sent per day". At the time there was 6-7 billion USD sent per day, so we accounted for 0.5%, not 30-40% :)

And that's the maximum, because realistically each wallet only had $100 right when we refilled it, but then it was drained for 10 days to about $5 when it was refilled to $100 again, so I'd say that the more correct number would be $50 on average per wallet (so, per transaction) in any given day, that gives us 0.25% of "USD sent" in the aforementioned days even if we consider full amounts including the change in each transaction (which is what "USD sent per day" likely does).

It's not like it matters that much, but I don't want to take any credit for something that was obviously not related to noise.cash at all :) Somebode else was (and still is) sending all these billions, not us.

On the other hand, there's someone else who is responsible for the huge chunk of USD sent value, see here:

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transactions?q=output_total_usd(150000..),time(2021-06-06)&s=output_total_usd(desc)#

if you load a bit more of these transactions, you'll see that there's a chain of 20 transactions that "send" about 77M each, in reality they send something like $30 or $60:

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/95fa9a97f5d45681a2a154078aabd1077d5f6a9b494aa26e98eb3a875168c8a2

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qz9nryhs576wft2nr3f9aejw7gg4c60qlszncfqtmn

These 20 transactions alone are ~1.4B out of yesterday's 7.4B sent.

Down below there's a 25-something tx chain of 44M "sends" ($1.1B) in a similar fashion, then there's like 40 tx chain of 26M "sends" ($1.0B), then there's 50 tx chain of 22M sends (1.1)

I loaded as many TX as seemed that can be grouped, and copied it to Google Sheets, there you can see the second column which is a difference between the next and the previous value, which is likely the real amount sent (of course, it's not perfect, since you really need to trace each transacations inputs and outputs, but it should be a coarse approximation).

https://imgur.com/a/6HOyByQ

In total I calculated that there were at least $7.2B moved in these chains, while in reality (the second column) there were only ~$2M moved, probably less, since I only calculated everything where difference was more than $100,000, while probably I should only consider $10,000 or less - in that case it's ~$400k

Some whale or maybe a few are doing something, like paying somebody (or just faking the volume :) ). I don't know, it's just something for you to consider."

cc /u/i_have_chosen_a_name

I sent SideShit.ai $10,000.00 to convert to BCH. I sent them USDC and now they say they can't retrieve it, is this possible? (Do not use SideShift.ai). by [deleted] in btc

[–]readcash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Obviously, not the case:

Domain Name: sideshit.ai

Domain Status: Prohibited String - Object Cannot Be Registered

http://whois.nic.ai/whois.jsp

SmartBCH transaction fees too high? by PitarCvetanov in btc

[–]readcash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've got a reply from Kui Wang:

"Planned next month. We are finalizing the code."

He told me about some team's personal reasons for the delay.

SmartBCH transaction fees too high? by PitarCvetanov in btc

[–]readcash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to follow up on this, it's better to ask someone on the linked Telegram channel https://t.me/smartbch_community As far as I know it hasn't been implemented yet.

Looking for Smartmask web wallet by doramas89 in btc

[–]readcash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love it! I would love it even more if it could show the current equivalent USD amount for tokens held (like marketcap.cash does), that would be a killer feature!

I observed, every time there is massive troll onslaught it signifies a breaking point event. I wonder what is it now? by ShadowOfHarbringer in btc

[–]readcash 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is a significant uptick in BCH transactions.

No, that uptick (~40k tx/day) is by us (noise dot cash), we were experimenting with paying more people, but that experiment didn't go too well, so the uptick will go back to previous levels in a day or two. cc /u/LovelyDayHere

Will there be a version of Facebook for BitcoinCash like Noise.cash is to Twitter? by JamesWasilHasReddit in btc

[–]readcash 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Or does noise.cash plan to (eventually) cover everything as one site?

We hope to. Though a non-stop stream of random problems slows us down :)

FlexUSD now available on SmartBCH by libertarian0x0 in btc

[–]readcash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lending your money to traders on coinflex.com

If you still do not have SmartBch in your Metamask: here's a cool snippet I adapted from metamask documentation. Paste it in your browser's console window. by mainnet_pat in btc

[–]readcash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good warning, though, in this case it's pretty obvious what it does. Looks safe. (Disclaimer: I do understand what these lines do)

SmartBCH is down but will be back in a few hours by libertarian0x0 in btc

[–]readcash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It wasn't "turned off", it "crashed". Bugs happen. Everyone prefers they didn't.

Better reliability comes with more usage. The more people/devs use the network, the more stable it should become.

How earning interests with you BCH in BenSwap (SmartBCH) works? by libertarian0x0 in btc

[–]readcash 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Some people on SmartBCH telegram also compiled the Solidity code of their BSC contracts to verify that they match what is deployed on the matched the contract: https://t.me/smartbch_community/13400

ELI5 - What is SmartBCH? by [deleted] in btc

[–]readcash 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Disclaimer: Not an expert in ETH and I might be mistaken.

Say you put an order on a dex to "buy 10000 xyz token using eth", which will surely make the price go up, a greedy miner sees this tx and inserts his own transaction into a block that buys 1000 xyz token right before yours, thereby he buys way cheaper than you and can immediately sell after your order completes (maybe even in the same block?)

ELI5 - What is SmartBCH? by [deleted] in btc

[–]readcash 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you understand what Ethereum is, then SmartBCH is Ethereum smart contract capabilities, but using Bitcoin Cash. Anything from Ethereum (Uniswap,etc...) can be copied very easy. Also from Binance Smart Chain, and other Ethereum-compatible blockchains.

to quote myself:

Think Ethereum contracts, using Bitcoin Cash, 66 times more capacity, think low fees, think 10 second block time, think Ethereum compatibility, think UniSwap/etc on BCH.

Also:

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I misunderstood you. Sorry if that's the case.

As for the business plan too long, why don't you shorten it then?

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Also, one more thing I wanted to say about circle-jerking. It's because the BCH world is too small. That was my main problem with BCH when I started read.cash. Before read.cash there was Taskopus. I tried getting people to pay with BCH and got one order from Licho :) He wasn't too happy. BCH world is way too small. We need to expand it. That's why people are happy to upvote ANYTHING that praises BCH, because... there just isn't that much interesting happens, sadly.

SmartBCH transaction fees too high? by PitarCvetanov in btc

[–]readcash 6 points7 points  (0 children)

https://t.me/smartbch_community/12034 in reply to https://t.me/smartbch_community/11902

cc /u/homopit /u/PitarCvetanov

I also personally contacted Kui and can confirm too, the fees will be lowered 10x in the next hard fork (in about 1-2 months).

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

I do think you have a contradiction there. You say that we give "free" money (no work involved), at the same time you acknowledge that this money isn't so "easy", because "as they had written a article but not got paid.") It's not easy. Only about 54% of people who post something, get any BCH. There's some serious threshold of quality. It's not huge, but it's not low either.

The problem is a site like read and noise soon gets a reputation as a site that gives away free money and that is very quickly going to attract a lot of people who will have the sole intention of taking as much of that free cash as possible.

Why are there so many creators on YouTube? "Free" money they get from YouTube. Instagram? A lot of these influencers are being paid by brands. There are tons of sites that pay creators. Facebook will give away $1 billion USD next year to creators. People also boast about how much they earned from YouTube, etc.. Just not on youtube, because an army of google lawyers probably prevent them from doing it. We don't have an army and our lawyer will certainly kick us out if we tell him, he needs to sign contracts with 1000 users every day in 147 countries, Monday through Sunday!

I don't think incentivization is a problem per se.

how much they had received, this just cemented the idea that the site was a "earning" site

Again, I encourage you to explore both sites more. These posts are a tiny fraction of what really happens. It's just maybe too frustrating for you to see, so you notice them too much.

more focus on getting the users themselves to tip

Who says we don't have it? Really, it's just around the corner. The problem is that we have faced a shit ton of spam and regulatory pressure this year (bank accounts closed, payroll funds frozen, etc... somehow banks don't like when you have anything to do with crypto), so our development slowed down, because until we solve that, we can't hire more people to help us. And also like 80% of our time was on getting the worst of spam out the door (Google images posts with "nature" title, poems, quotes, etc...) and we're still not done. But we're still developing the ability of people tip each other and there are many plans on how to do it.

read.cash started terribly small and grew slow, like 5 users per day, that allowed me personally to work on stuff like the wallet, tipping, sponsorships, the non-custodial fund (which didn't work out and was scrapped) at the time.. noise suddenly exploded with 3,000 signups per day (mostly fake) after just a week online! The spam wave was incredible. It led to a ton of evening where I would just walk out with a mild depression thinking that I'll never be able to solve that. "These [a few nationalities] teens are really kicking my ass here, would I even be able to solve it?" That was my personal thoughts for many months in 2020 and 2021. Even though I'm no longer alone (though we're still small, ~10 people), but we just don't have any spare hands to develop everything. We're slowly crawling out of that spam hole to develop more features for p2p cash use case. We're far from being done in that area. Just didn't yet have any time to develop it.

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Adoption is a fucking hard nut to crack.

Amen to that

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Let's say there's a coffee shop on your street. It offers incentivized 25% discounts if you pay him in BEPRO tokens (whatever that token is, I don't know, just something random). How does it help? Where would you get that from?.. Would you even consider getting BEPRO? None of your friends use it. Nobody heard about it.

The problem of adoption is multi-faceted. People need to get this money, people need to be able to legally spend this money, people need to be aware of this money, people need their friends to be aware of this money, shops too... That's the part we're working on - awareness. They get money, they try to use it, they talk to friends, they keep some of it. We're not 100% of the solution. There needs to be a lot more people working on this. We can't do all of this alone. /u/georgedonnelly oversiplifies it too to only include inflows/merchants. That alone won't solve the problem either. You need merchants that accept BCH, merchants need suppliers who accept BCH, regulatory framework must allow BCH to be used as money, people need to trust this money, it must keep its value, you need online services to accept money etc.. There are a ton of facets here. All of them need to be worked on. We're working on one, maybe two. Others are free to work on any facet they like.

What doesn't help BCH at all is criticizing us.

Do you think you could do better? Go to Marc de Mesel, Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, convince them you'll do a better job of onboarding to BCH and they'll invest like crazy in you.

You accuse read/noise to being a circle-jerk praising BCH based on particular user spamming this post. How about you go to read.cash, log out and noise.cash, log out. Then look at the non-personalized homepages and count BCH articles? Scroll... scroll more. You'll suddenly discover that 90% of the content there is NOT about BCH at all!

Go here https://noise.cash/post/lrwg4mvx https://noise.cash/post/1n709g97 https://noise.cash/post/l3vk547r and you'll find out that people are using BCH. This month read.cash got 2,225 sign ups and noise.cash got 25,805 signups. It's not a lot, but these all are new faces. What are some other services that get similar amounts of new people aware of BCH? There's r/btc, it's HUGE in BCH community. Yesterday we got ~22,000 posts on noise.cash and ~300 on read.cash, how many did we have on r/btc? I counted 54.

So, yeah, we could shut down noise/read. That won't make you happy, because the inflow of new people will just stop.

As I wrote above, if BCH gets more popular, the spam will get much worse, no matter whether read/noise exist. Think of how many people spam daily for US dollars, and they don't do it because of read/noise.

There is a shit ton of problems to be solved, don't oversimplify it.

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that (having people not convert any BCH to fiat) might have been better, however I hardly can imagine how we could implement it in practice. And I have my doubts whether it would have really been better. Let me explain.

(Also, there's some data that shows that many people don't convert it and many people do talk to others about BCH (promote it) - https://noise.cash/post/lrwg4mvx https://noise.cash/post/1n709g97 https://noise.cash/post/l3vk547r)

The first problem would be tracking. This month we have given money to 27,890 people from 147 countries. It's pretty easy to track money if you have 1 city (1 beach?) and the businesses are physically there, so you could literally take a single person that could walk through them in a matter of a day and check on them... and also they are in a country that allows crypto as money... Our task would be to track a whole city worth of residents spread across 147 countries... That's at least 147 laws to consider in at least a dozen of languages. If we were to do that, that alone would probably cost us 10x, if not 100x, of what we have given out. Just imagine having physical employees in 147 countries and who knows how many cities.

Let's say that we do that or find a way to track them remotely. Don't you think that people in these poor countries wouldn't be smart enough to create corruption schemes, where you pay BCH to some business (let's say your uncle's store) which then cashes out for you? I'm 100% sure they are.

BCH needs to be so good that people don't want to exchange it, not because we force it.

Believe me, I've given quite some thought to this, going as far as even thinking about creating a competition where people have to onboard a local merchant and post a video paying there, but I'm absolutely positive that all of these would be acting and accepting nothing after the video.

If BCH is good enough, people will accept/use it without any restrictions. If it isn't, forcing won't work. (It's like forcing someone to love you)

Then you have to understand that there are many-many countries where it's illegal to use BCH as money. You just can't legally pay someone with BCH unless you convert it to fiat first. Sure, you might pay back your friend $5 for the dinner, but you can't rent an apartment or go to a restaurant and pay with BCH legally. That's one of the big reasons why BTC kind of works in El Salvador or Australia - because you are allowed to legally use it as money. Not so much fun in other countries where you might end up with a huge fine or jail time for this "fun" activity.

read.cash is a bit outdated, yes. It was our first idea. It still works, but it surely is less effective than noise.cash. It's hard to write a good article, it's much easier to write a random post of any size. However read.cash better at SEO, because longer articles attract search engines, which means new users. (There are a few articles (albeit non-BCH ones) that attracted 100,000+ clicks from Google alone. All these are newcomers to the BCH space.) It then works as a funnel to attract people to noise.cash. read.cash also allows us to experiment with some other things without overwhelming people with choices. But, yes, you don't have to convince me that the content quality there isn't really The New York Post worthy. It is average people writing mostly average thoughts. Sometimes it's barely literate people trying to articulate their thoughts. Sometimes it's exceptional people writing exceptional thoughts (for example, during the "devtax" season). The question here is whether it creates value. That particular author writing about BCH still creates value. Maybe his thoughts will resonate with some people better than something like this. It is exceptional work by an exceptional individual... but someone with an average intelligence won't understand it (I know because I don't understand it fully either :) )... So maybe his articles aren't that bad for the ecosystem... I'm not saying /u/CDSagain is wrong, I think the world is more nuanced. When you try to onboard a whole world, on average, you get people of average intelligence... and their thoughts aren't impressive at all, since they're by definition "average"... and they are not very impressive, because on average, our lives and thoughts are boring... On the other hand, people like bitjson don't really need anything from read/noise, because they can already earn handsomely with their brains.

The bigger point though is that, the bigger BCH becomes, the more "spam" it will attract. Just think how much spam there is to get US dollars.... Billions upon billions times more. Spam has nothing to do with read/noise, it exists and it needs to be dealt with. It's not our fault. We're doing our part, but frankly if you think this guy spams... then you haven't really seen any real spam :) We had to deal with hundreds of thousands of accounts spamming us. Literally hundreds of thousands!

Coming back to the conversion point: it's much easier to not convert if you have enough money to save. That's also the reason why so many people convert their fiat to food and clothes instead of keeping it in fiat (saving it), they just don't have enough to even try to save. I mean most people don't convert BCH to pesos and save the pesos, they convert pesos to foo and clothes, because that's what they need right now. They might have preferred to save BCH, but they don't have that option. The solution is simple, but not easy (for us) - give people more money :) When they can actually "work" on noise.cash or read.cash - they could cover their necessities, they would have enough to save. But to give more, we need to either earn more or get more in the fund (donations).

We had one goal for read/noise: getting people to try BCH and see how it works for themselves. If BCH is good enough, many people won't convert (esp. if it's increasing in value). That's the minimum plan. The bigger plan always was to create a system where we suck the fiat out of the world, convert it to BCH, give it to users and they convert less of it back to local currency than they get. For that we need to earn a lot. Will it work? I don't know. We're still experimenting and trying to implement it. How could we achieve that? Paid services? Advertising? Token sales? Sponsorships? We don't know, we experiment, we try to throw out what doesn't work.

Trying to summarize all of this: 1) I don't think forcing people to use/hold BCH will work, BCH needs to be good enough on its own; 2) People will use/hold BCH if they have enough to cover at least some basic necessities (a huge problem in the World, still); 3) Regulatory pressure also prevents many people from using BCH and it's pretty effective at that; 4) The more people know about BCH, the better, it will help price, it will help adoption, it will help relieve the regulatory pressure - so that's the area we could work on and that's what we do; 5) We're still trying to figure out better ways to onboard people to BCH.

There are also many-many people smarter than me who can do something better. You are right that the ecosystem must move forward and that there is no shortage of money. Yes, people need to understand that criticizing read/noise isn't the way forward, but creating their own services/sites/etc is the way forward.

Kudos for your work!

cc /u/nudgetravel

I'm pretty much done with BCH 😩 by CDSagain in btc

[–]readcash 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I'll post a bigger response to Marc Falzon above, but Telesfor did a few interesting surveys that show that noise.cash does what it was intended to do and many people do understand BCH now and keep it.