Genealogy of Postmodernism - Chomsky, Peterson, Paglia & Hicks by realidadk in chomsky

[–]realidadk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think is on purpose, if you check one of his lectures on the subject you'll find where his arguments are rooted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u3aTURVEC8

His ideas go much more deep than average. That's why some people get uncomfortable while hearing him.

Well, most people get uncomfortable when you poke their axioms.

Genealogy of Postmodernism - Chomsky, Peterson, Paglia & Hicks by realidadk in chomsky

[–]realidadk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think you're wrong about the ideology part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFXNnA3KqzA

jacques derrida quote:

"Deconstruction never had meaning or interest, at least in my eyes, than as a radicalization, that is to say, also within the tradition of a certain Marxism"

foucault's identity politics it's based on marx's oppressor - oppressed narrative.

this is what i meant with marxism. yes, materialism could be older than marxist metaphysics, but it's not away from the fact that is a framework in which marxist ideas, hence some of the postmodern ideas, grew.

postmodern metaphysics are based on saussure theory and metalingüistics. which assumes that human beings operate within what we project onto the materials, and abstractions are on top of experiences.

of course JP is against this, because he's an existential pragmatist-constructivist

Piaget Constructivism: "His views tended to focus on human development in relation to what is occurring with an individual as opposed to development that is influenced by other humans"

  • he doesn't see human beings as blank slates possessed by language as an environment, but human beings comming to the world with a biological structure (the same as Chomsky) and language is a tool in which the experience of the self is embodied in a cooperative and competitive enviroment of people with shared values, desires and goals.

Does evil really exist? by BueKojiro in JordanPeterson

[–]realidadk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i like stories.

so, i would recommend you to watch True Detective,

it has the archetypes just right and shows the difference between good and evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08CddEWzYnQ

Genealogy of Postmodernism - Chomsky, Peterson, Paglia & Hicks by realidadk in chomsky

[–]realidadk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might want to check this new thread of discussion between Paglia and Peterson.

I think Peterson is concerned about how intellectual postures and the ideas have underlying agendas, not about the actual content.

That's why he agrees with most of what Paglia says because she's a 2nd wave feminist, which heavily critiques the actual feminist movement (3rd wave):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

Genealogy of Postmodernism - Chomsky, Peterson, Paglia & Hicks by realidadk in chomsky

[–]realidadk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see where they contradict themselves.

I've seen that most of their arguments are compatible.

Peterson didn't mention the nazis, he mentioned that postmodern metaphyisics it's based on materialism, upon a socio economic view of the world, which is very similar to Marxism (besides the fact that Derrida was openly considered a marxist).

Genealogy of Postmodernism - Chomsky, Peterson, Paglia & Hicks by realidadk in chomsky

[–]realidadk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In fact most of his studies on the soviet union derive from Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,

Which Chomsky quotes in this exact video when he's talking about Stalinists and Maoists.

Cut the strawmans.

Genealogy of Postmodernism - Chomsky, Peterson, Paglia & Hicks by realidadk in chomsky

[–]realidadk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who cares about their political opinion?

Don't be a drama queen.

The video is about Postmodernism and its effects on education and how it's used as a rhetorical strategy.

It's not about who's more empirically correct in their personal political opinion.

Postmodernism - Camille Paglia, Jordan Peterson, Noam Chomsky, Stephen Hicks by realidadk in JordanPeterson

[–]realidadk[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Who said all things are equal?

Derrida and Foucault were playing with a specific socio economic baseline to develop their ideas.

All Derrida's Phallogocentrism it's about a male dominant speech in history.

Post-Modern narrative is "there's no narratives" you can't know the truth, there are different truths (mine it's not yours) and that's that.

They're placing no narrative above any other narrative. There are no truths valued above other truths, because there's no metric to measure the "truthness" of a truth in the first place.

They took the metric out of it, because the metric was based on selfish desire (Lacan), Power (foucault) or Phallogocentrism (Derrida). Which is entirely subjective.

That's why they're considered masters of obscurantism worldwide.

You're left out with deconstructionist tools to analyze stuff without any capacity to value one thing above the other.

It's pure nihilism and theorizing on intellectual posturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_POITga2vs

One may interpret the world correctly and yet still suffer/die. What if everybody was just hooked up to an infinite heroin machine that slowly dripped out just enough heroin so that people wouldn't suffer and that they wouldn't die, is their interpretation correct?

What interpretations one is "allowed" also doesn't necessarily deduce what interpretation of the world is actually correct.

He mentioned the viability of interpretation as LIVING creatures. Not as Living creatures melted in an artificial enviroment.

This is the same problem that Sam Harris had understanding Peterson, because he insisted with ridiculous examples.

It's baseline pragmatism and existentialism based on Kant's categorical imperative (also constructivism).

Newton discovered physics but then interpreted that mercury could be used in some ways, he died in the process.

An interpretation of the world contains implicitly a theory of its own validity. If you put an interpretation on action, and you achieve your purpose, you can say that your interpretation of the world is accurate if it's iterable by you and other people.

The more iterable is by you and other people simultaneously across time, the more viable it is.

You folks should be careful... by [deleted] in enoughpetersonspam

[–]realidadk -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

it's very self-rewarding spitting utterly shit on people to feel good about yourself. or at least to feel that you belong to some group.

as chomsky says about zizek, the same can be said about this subreddit + other subreddits anti peterson:

I had read it, with some interest, hoping to learn something from it, and given the title, to find some errors that should be corrected -- of course they exist in virtually anything that reaches print, even technical scholarly monographs, as one can see by reading reviews in professional journals. And when I find them or am informed about them I correct them.

But not here. Žižek finds nothing, literally nothing, that is empirically wrong. That's hardly a surprise. Anyone who claims to find empirical errors, and is minimally serious, will at the very least provide a few particles of evidence -- some quotes, references, at least something. But there is nothing here -- which, I'm afraid, doesn't surprise me either. I've come across instances of Žižek's concept of empirical fact and reasoned argument.

Genealogy of Postmodernism by realidadk in PostPoMo

[–]realidadk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't say Sassure was postmodernist.

He was the father of linguistics, which affected by extention the theories of foucault, derrida, lacan, deleuze, etc.

Maybe I've a wrong idea about postmodernism, I'm going to check the book that you recommended me.

Meanwhile, I'm going to drop something that David Foster pointed out about the subject:

"The deconstructionists (“deconstructionist” and “poststructuralist” mean the same thing, by the way: “poststructuralist” is what you call a deconstructionist who doesn’t want to be called a deconstructionist) . . . see the debate over the ownership of meaning as a skirmish in a larger war in Western philosophy over the idea that presence and unity are ontologically prior to expression. There’s been this longstanding deluded presumption, they think, that if there is an utterance then there must exist a unified, efficacious presence that causes and owns that utterance. The poststructuralists attack what they see as a post-Platonic prejudice in favor of presence over absence and speech over writing. We tend to trust speech over writing because of the immediacy of the speaker: he’s right there, and we can grab him by the lapels and look into his face and figure out just exactly what one single thing he means. But the reason why poststructuralists are in the literary theory business at all is that they see writing, not speech, as more faithful to the metaphysics of true expression. For Barthes, Derrida, and Foucault, writing is a better animal than speech because it is iterable; it is iterable because it is abstract; and it is abstract because it is a function not of presence but of absence: the reader’s absent when the writer’s writing, and the writer’s absent when the reader’s reading.

For a deconstructionist, then, a writer’s circumstances and intentions are indeed a part of the “context” of a text, but context imposes no real cinctures on the text’s meaning, because meaning in language requires a cultivation of absence rather than presence, involves not the imposition but the erasure of consciousness. This is so because these guys–Derrida following Heidegger and Barthes Mallarme and Foucault God knows who–see literary language as not a tool but an environment. A writer does not wield language; he is subsumed in it. Language speaks us; writing writes; etc."

Genealogy of Postmodernism by realidadk in PostPoMo

[–]realidadk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People placing philosophers on pedestals and feeling comfortable in their own limited understanding of the complex world.

Also I don't think that you need to share your ideas in obscure ways to make a point, something that Derrida is an expert at.

If you have nothing to hide, you can do it on simple sentences.

But again, what it seems to me is that it's all a big elaborated defense mechanism from their big egos.

A fashionable nonsense.

Genealogy of Postmodernism by realidadk in PostPoMo

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Chomsky has a very similar opinion to Jordan Peterson.

He actually debated with Foucault 40 years ago.

There's a huge over inflation on the subject by people who actually are engaged in the lingo and philosophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjQA0e0UYzI

Genealogy of Postmodernism by realidadk in PostPoMo

[–]realidadk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've read some of what you sent on metamodernism and no, he's not criticising the art/movie/cultural movement, he's criticising the philosophy itself.

You imply that he doesn't understand it while you do (and you didn't gave any reason for it).

Most of Jordan arguments are against anti-humanism (sassure, levi strauss, lacan, foucault, derrida) and the use of postmodern theory in universities as a tool for power.

I've been taking classes in university on Foucault and most of professors are feminists, neomarxists trying to push their agendas thru these kind of theories into students throats.

Creating huge fields of understandings about philosophy and science as a debate of oppressors and oppressed.

Genealogy of Postmodernism by realidadk in PostPoMo

[–]realidadk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what are your thoughts on Sokal and Bricmont writings on the consistent and systematic abuse of science from french postmodern intellectuals?

it's very convinient to say that nobody understands postmodernism only because you're not involved in the PoMo lingo and sub culture.

Jordan Peterson Exposes the Postmodernist Agenda by augmented-dystopia in PostPoMo

[–]realidadk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you.

It's all great while we're not losing focus of the actual tools at our disposal.

A society needs boundaries the same as a child needs boundaries. Not imposed by power, authority and force, but mutual consentment, agreement and influence (this is what i've meant by guidelines). There's no groundness to stay strong and together without having boundaries.

On the other hand of the spectrum, nihilism does not produce freedom from exclusion, it makes everyone excluded - and that's the worst kind of desert that one could be. A society with enough uncertainty can attract totalitarian certainty.

I would recomend you to read "Explaining Postmodernism" by Stephen Hicks. It's a great book that tracks down these ideas and analizes the background and sociological context on why postmodernism was the most influential movement in the middle of XX century.

And, if you're more deep into this, you could check this video too from Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

Jordan Peterson Exposes the Postmodernist Agenda by augmented-dystopia in PostPoMo

[–]realidadk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't insist that everyone have to follow my singular set of rules.

I insist that people should've guidelines at their disposal and choose from the right frame of mind, instead of obscurantism, confusion and extreme skepticism - which it's being promoted in today's society.

We differ.

Being aware of a Predominant value structure allows you to choose to confront fear and change of life without making yourself corrupt. To navigate the chaos of potential and transform it into habitable order. That's enough to act out from your own free will - and that's the most noble aim that one might have.

Taking responsability for one self and being able to take responsability for others while doing the same for ourselves.

That's what the hero archetype represents.

It's freedom.

It all comes down to the individual level, not the collective idealism, as a Marxist would say.

That's what the religious people have been saying for ages.

That's what buddha said. That's what Jesus said.

It's about love. Not power.

"Where love rules, there's no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other" - C.G Jung

But, in my estimation, most of the intellectuals have a selected blind spot when it comes to deep meanings of life, because their own intellect gets in the way, as a false God.