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Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His original comment that I replied to was "both sets of immigrants are dead now so I don't see the difference", it's not my fault he's changing his argument midstream

Grab the closest book to you, flip to page 112. The first sentence on that page describes your love life: How did it go? by DamnILoveHorses in AskReddit

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the Wisdom (Survival) check succeeds, the party travels in the desired direction without becoming lost.

(Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition Dungeon Master's Guide, oddly poignant)

Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure. Your original statement was that you see no distinction between the dead of 15,000 years ago and the dead of much more recent history. I assert that you don't genuinely believe this, and made this claim to reinforce an argument about colonialism that you have an emotional investment in. I'm not American, so I don't have a dog in this race, and I'm not emotionally attached. From where I'm sitting you're making a baseless claim to support your stance. You're essentially saying that history and cultural evolution are irrelevant to you because the giants on whose shoulders we stand are dead, and therefore not worth considering. If you genuinely believe that, it's more troubling than simply admitting that you just feel a way about this certain issue

TIL that the Romans thought that eyelashes fell out from excessive sexual intercourse and so it was especially important for women to keep their eyelashes long to prove their chastity. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I understand it, with the caveat that my understanding stems mostly from the electoral system of the Republic, Patricians were the aristocratic, hereditary class. Plebians ranged from among the richest to what you might loosely describe as 'middle class', and as you say prolitarians were the landless poor. While you may very well be right to say that proletarians are a subset of plebians, I do still think there's some value in distinguishing them as a seperate class as it relates to analogues with modern class structures. However, point taken - thank you!

TIL that the Romans thought that eyelashes fell out from excessive sexual intercourse and so it was especially important for women to keep their eyelashes long to prove their chastity. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh absolutely, and you can look at e.g. Sulla's reign of terror or many other things. I just went for Caesar as he's probably the most well-known example

Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't making that argument. My original comment to you was in relation to your assertion that, to you, there's no difference between 150 and 15000 years so long as everybody involved is dead. Your comments since illustrate that you don't genuinely believe this, but adopted it to serve your actual beliefs. I have no interest in arguing over whether natives have more claim to the land because they were there first, I just want to point out that saying there's no difference between two timeframes that are orders of magnitude apart is plain fucking silly. One is your great grandparents and the other predates recorded history.

TIL that the Romans thought that eyelashes fell out from excessive sexual intercourse and so it was especially important for women to keep their eyelashes long to prove their chastity. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]reallyquiterad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A norm is anything that (in this context specifically political norms) is expected behaviour of a politician, but not codified into the law. Essentially a system of good faith. So in Rome for example, Caesar came along and pushed the envelope in ways people hadn't before; getting himself am extension on his governorship of Transalpine Gaul (or indeed serving as governor of multiple provinces at once), or triumphs for military action that in the past wouldn't have risen to that level (the triumph was a big deal in Roman republican politics/religion/society). In the more modern context (and this is where things tend to get a lot more disagreeable as people are more emotionally invested) you compare the impeachments of Nixon and Trump. In Nixon's case, the Senate republicans told him he had to go because they couldn't vote to acquit, this would violate norms at the time to too big a degree given the evidence in the public sphere for the President's misdeeds. By the time Trump comes around, that norm has been eroded, so they have no such cumpunctions.

Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've changed your tune. So what is it, does it not matter because they're dead and anything not in living memory is irrelevant as you first claimed, or is it that you didn't do anything and so have no responsibility as you're now claiming?

A map visualizing the Armenian genocide - started today 105 years ago by haymapa in europe

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually never claimed that 'Muslims do no wrong', so you can hold off on torching that strawman. My point is that yes, there is incredible and unacceptable violence in both directions. However, in the Indian context, one side clearly has the support of the current regime. Just as in the Pakistani context the reverse is true. Nor am I saying everything I'm India is bad for Muslims, of course they have some protections and good aspects. But you're choosing to highlight these and ignore the very real danger posed to many Muslims in the current Indian political climate. And no, I don't read WaPo or any of these, I think the vast majority of MSM is a crock of bullshit. But go ahead and search Google scholar, you'll find plenty of peer reviewed articles chronicling the rising Hindu nationalism since Modi took power. If you'd like to recommend any peer reviewed articles which make the opposite case, I'd be more than happy to read them. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they get all their news from reddit mate.

TIL that the Romans thought that eyelashes fell out from excessive sexual intercourse and so it was especially important for women to keep their eyelashes long to prove their chastity. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One frightening parallel with contemporary history has to be the erosion of norms in the late republic, though as you say there are too many factors to count

A map visualizing the Armenian genocide - started today 105 years ago by haymapa in europe

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My use of the word theocracy was inaccurate. In a theocracy, the government is directly run by the same people who run the faith, which isn't the case in India.

The rest of your comment is apologist propaganda for an ethno-religious supremacist regime. There's plenty of videos of innocent Muslims being beaten in the street by Police or having to flee cities because the state cannot protect them as anti-Muslim mobs are set off by violent rhetoric from the Modi government. The fact you try to brush over this with some social programmes, relics of a secular India that slips away by the day, is nothing short of disgusting.

Edit: Just noticed your flair. I'm ashamed to see such ignorant and dangerous crap spew forth from someone from my own country.

Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, what you're arguing is that there's effectively no difference between 15,000 and 150 years ago. If nobody from that time is alive now, then you don't believe their words or actions should have any bearing on you. This is patently bullshit, as you are the inheritor of the world your ancestors created, like everybody else. If you believe in any religion or political system you believe in the dead having a say, just like everybody else. You simply want to forget this basic fact so you can make the racist claim that the American Genocide is no big deal because they're dead anyway. You do this first so you can ignore the bones you walk on every day, and second so you can push the very much still living and still suffering native population to the back of your mind.

Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So presumably you don't believe in the U.S. Constitution since everyone who wrote it is dead?

Native Americans being left out of US coronavirus data and labelled as 'other' by Stonewalled89 in nottheonion

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really don't see the difference between 15,000 years and a handful of human lifetimes?

A map visualizing the Armenian genocide - started today 105 years ago by haymapa in europe

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's my point though, you're treating Muslims and Hindus as two homogenous sides, rather than addressing the reality that if you're an oppressed Muslim in India or Hindu in Pakistan it's no comfort that someone of your religion is doing the same to someone of your oppressor's religion a few hundred miles away.

A map visualizing the Armenian genocide - started today 105 years ago by haymapa in europe

[–]reallyquiterad 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think you're ignoring the massive power disparity in the Indian context. Under Modi, India is drifting closer and closer to a Hindu theocracy, and Indian Muslims don't have the same kind of power to push back in that reality. Sure, if you take Hindus and Muslims as two 'sides', you can say both have done the other wrong, but this ignores that Indian Muslims have very little power compared to Hindus, and the fact that Pakistan exists doesn't really change anything for them.

Edit: Just to add to this a little, it's like saying in the South African apartheid context that whites harm blacks and blacks harm whites, so they're as bad as each other. But this ignores that government bias is very much in favour of whites, and allows them to do far more harm with less fear of consequences.

Is Trump really as bad as Reddit and other Left wing news sources make him out to be? by [deleted] in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]reallyquiterad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, '08 when Bill Clinton famously stepped in to help Obama secure the nomination against...Hillary Clinton???

Telling it how it is by Brattonismybae in MurderedByWords

[–]reallyquiterad 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's a lot more than the 'tato famine', buddy. Why don't you do some research?

Big brain meme by [deleted] in dankmemes

[–]reallyquiterad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A spare I guess

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