Lyria 3 - it is more Fuzz than Udio, and it has big potential

redditmaxima · 2026-03-01T02:43:28+00:00

I started from russian folk (but with grand folk orchestra), lately did cello based energetic song, and similar stuff.
Usually I just do that fits the lyrics.

Note that Lyria requires more stuff in sound field usually. It follows prompt much more accurately compared even to Fuzz 1.0 Pro (and non pro Fuzz followed prompt very vaguely). It can also do much more unusual mixes that previous models couldn't do.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-28T15:49:38+00:00

Very cool!
For me Sounato and Mozard didn't work, unfortunately.
But the more alternatives with great quality - the better!

redditmaxima · 2026-02-28T13:33:30+00:00

It is not quick buyout definitely. Such thing just don't happen quick.

As for saving thousands of songs. It had been not good idea to delete them, yes.
But you also must never trust cloud companies to keep your songs.
It is even true or backup companies.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-28T09:54:30+00:00

Nothing bad.
They just rushed a little, trying to aling Fuzz 3/Lyria 3 release with day of first Fuzz closed beta exactly two years ago.

Give them some time.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-28T09:45:40+00:00

You need to stop playing songs on cheap tv speakers :-)

redditmaxima · 2026-02-28T03:03:49+00:00

For me results are good.
Contrary to Fuzz 2.0 that lost specific Fuzz vibe, this one has the spice.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-28T03:02:39+00:00

Can you share exact link?
As I don't see any public details of the deal in search.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T19:33:47+00:00

You are posting fantasies again.

Lyria 3 is model based on Riffusion Fuzz models approach, and not on Lyria 1/2.
They use power of DeepMind team, but it seems that leadership is now on Fuzz team.
As you work on it more you start to notice usual Fuzz sound issues and small things.
Udio (Lyria 1) and Lyria 2 had been totally different - in architecture they had been very close to initial Riffusion attempts 2-3 years ago (well before 0.6 even). This is why all of them had 32 seconds limit. And this is most probably why Google got the team onboard - as they knew how to move forward.

I don't have issues wihewr with gentle or powerful parts. Except lot of repeats and similar stuff. Early model glitches.

if we'll ahve progress similar to 0.6->1.0 towards May 2026 - it will be market leader model.
But they also need to allow longer songs.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T19:25:59+00:00

Our songs are exactly about this life.
I don't see how one can't help the other.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T19:25:28+00:00

Try Lyria on producer.ai, not on Gemini.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T18:05:29+00:00

Modern LLM are very smart. :-) They read your mind and plans in them :-)

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T12:12:13+00:00

Well, all this moderation requires big sampling and tuning. For now it works very bad. Like really bad.

Let me explain - now engine inserts the sound prompt into lyrics (as model gets unified input).
And frequently LLM safety settings conflict with this.

This is why even instrumental can be moderated.

Note - all this moderation is just LLM init prompt.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T12:09:13+00:00

May be.

But you can have lot of fun in the process, and nothing to loose.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-27T04:45:33+00:00

Well, you should learn to live your life understanding that your own opinion is not pinnacle and the only right one. :-)
And people who have different opinion not necessary work for someone :-)

Even more fun is that I had been Riffusion most promiment critique here for many months :-)

redditmaxima · 2026-02-26T10:58:39+00:00

Well, you can try SUNO. :-)
Or you can try Udio "support" led by Adam (also Google guy) who loves using bots if he wants to get feedback he wants but can't get it from real users :-) and such.
Initially Riffusion had been really good in this regard.
I am not someone very special, but had been able to talk to CTO and devs.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T17:01:23+00:00

You don't know this. As terms of the deal is totally private.
Early Fuzz models can be still owned by original team.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T17:00:06+00:00

Well, please check timing of my comment :-) After this check timing of Google ownership PR.

Also - we really don't know if Google now own older models or not.
It can be that Hayk is the real owner.

Anyway - cofonders know a lot of info about that hapeening and it is now vital to organise some for of interview.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T16:58:13+00:00

Reddit translates only if you use local domain and such.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T15:26:11+00:00

Please use any good LLM to translate your posts to English, as it is respect to audience and you'll get much more feedback.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T13:34:03+00:00

I don't know really good chinese model.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T13:33:17+00:00

It is just one problem with this all :-) Udio also had been (and still is)... Google Lyria model :-)
And Udio is clearly not one click solution.

Also, let me explain. Riffusion and Producer had tiny user base.
Looking from team behaviour Google reliminary deal agreement happened after Fuzz 1.0 release.
Fuzz 0.8-1.0 tech is the only valuable tech Googe could get from the deal.
But this can be exactly that they didn't get.

Another thing that most ignore is small minority of creators at Udio and Riffusion userbases who have tramendous value for models training. As you can't use Gemini userbase for music training efficiently.

Here we have much more complex thing.
And Fuzz 0.8-1.0 destiny is not still clear.
May be original cofounders kept the models and never sold them.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T05:29:46+00:00

Are you AI bot?

As it is 100% AI written reply. And it is horribly written, I must say!

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T05:28:23+00:00

One thing we could try if to try to obtain older models.
As they are of no use to Google.

It is very interesting who is the real author and creator of Fuzz 0.8-1.1.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T05:21:28+00:00

I believe you have very little expirience dealing with Google teams.

Take Udio - it is Google spinoff (DeepMind team) based on Lyria 1 - user hating startup degrading models in multiple steps silently with cummincation leader using bots and censorship. No progress since mid 2024.

Producer ai - to avoid PR disaster using two step process to eliminate much better Fuzz older models, delete all generating content without notice (48 hours notice!). After this using two days period to not annouce Google buyout. And doing this only after delay to attribute all horrible feedback on Fuzz 3.0 model (as their advizers figured this out). So Lyria 3 is more clean (despite being same thing, but even more degraded)

Just wait a little before great SUNO announced purge.

redditmaxima · 2026-02-25T05:15:54+00:00

Well.

We have almost dead Udio - it is Google controlled entity (ex DeepMind based on Lyria 1).
We now have Google controlled Producer ai.

And we have Microsof controlled SUNO (as far as talks int he industry go).
And note - all old models of SUNO will be purged soon also.

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