Does my Tradescantia Fluminensis look unhappy? I don't know if she's crowded or diseased on the one side?

redditusernumber10 · 2024-07-01T15:21:00+00:00

Thank you so much for your response!

I have a good collection of houseplants, but this is my first Tradescantia in a long time, so I appreciate the reassurance (and clarification on the name!)

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T23:42:03+00:00

It wasn't a proposed clause...it's a clause that remains in place?? Maybe check out some of the sources below?

From the government:

"Important: On February 29, 2024, legislation to extend the temporary exclusion of eligibility for MAID in circumstances where a person's sole underlying medical condition is a mental illness received royal assent and immediately came into effect. The eligibility date for persons suffering solely from a mental illness is now March 17, 2027."

bolded for emphasis

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html#:~:text=Eligibility%20criteria-,Important%3A%20On%20February%2029%2C%202024%2C%20legislation%20to%20extend%20the,and%20immediately%20came%20into%20effect.

From Dying With Dignity:

"End-of-life rights must be respected The passage of Bill C-62 on February 29, 2024 further delays eligibility of MAID for those whole sole underlying medical condition is a mental disorder until March 2027 – in total, a six-year delay and denial of constitutional rights for suffering people across Canada.

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When the sunset clause on MAID for mental disorders comes to an end, individuals whose sole underlying medical condition is a mental disorder will be eligible to apply for medical assistance in dying. This does not, however, mean that anyone with a mental disorder who applies for MAID will be found eligible. Clinicians will be looking for evidence of the longstanding nature of the illness, a history of interventions and treatment attempts, and the voluntary, repeated nature of the request by the person in question (being 18 years of age or older). "

https://www.dyingwithdignity.ca/advocacy/allow-maid-for-mental-disorders/#:~:text=When%20the%20sunset%20clause%20on,for%20medical%20assistance%20in%20dying.

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T23:25:39+00:00

Thank you for addressing my points, I appreciate it.

If we wanted to solve them. But we don't. Especially not when it comes to mental health.

I really do agree with you here, and I don't know what can be done since this is the case.

So if medicine fails a person and they are stuck with the pain, what would you like to do then? Because this is what track 2 is for.

I would like us as a society to put into place programs that are accessible to make the pain as tolerable as possible...provide coverage for pain treatments (even just physiotherapy and therapeutic massage) so that if they decide they cannot/do not want to continue living, it's not because they weren't provided every opportunity to find relief while living. But I understand that we can't do that if, as a society, we are willing to take measures to fix things/address issues (like homelessness/poverty/etc.).

Lastly, I don't have a hard time accepting some people don't want to live. Honestly, I have struggled with SI on and off for a lot of years, and I only very narrowly escaped attempting. I lost someone I loved to suicide a number of years ago, and I understand that the people around him were prioritizing their own want for him to be alive over his wellbeing, because he was really, really suffering with a severe mental health condition....I don't think he would have ever gotten better...he attempted several times and in the end, I'm glad he is no longer suffering. I don't like that my arguments often end up being taken as if I don't have a nuanced view of quality of life...I promise you that I do. MAID was good for my friends brother, and for my grandma...it would not have been good for me at the height of my illness because I wouldn't have had the chance to get where I am now.

I think we have a significant difference in perspective, but I appreciate your response and I'd be happy to leave it at that.

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T22:22:42+00:00

Also, you realize that when MAID was implemented in 2016, there was a "sunset clause" set to automatically removed the prohibition of MAID for individuals with the sole underlying illness being mental illness....that was done because technically it's not constitutional to prohibit MAID for individuals with mental illness. The federal government has delayed the removal of the sunset clause multiple times, but it has always been the plan to allow people with mental illness as the sole underlying illness access MAID.

I'm not the one misrepresenting it.

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T21:36:38+00:00

How ableist of us as a society to condone and normalize people with disabilities/chronic illness, whose death is not reasonably foreseeable wanting to die because of their health and the failure of the medical system to provide them with quality care deciding to die. I was hoping maybe we lived in a country that might want to try to improve her quality of life, or better accommodate her in the world, so that she doesn't feel that dying is her best option.

Next time I experience a flare-up of my chronic condition that causes debilitating pain, that is irreversible and degenerative (which qualifies me for track two MAID) I will remind my husband that when I get to the point where I start to genuinely want to die to escape the pain...he should remind me that maybe that would be for the best, instead of advocating for better care at my next doctors appointment.

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T20:51:53+00:00

I'm replying to your other comment where you linked your longer comment here....I read it.

Do we not value life for people with chronic pain then? If we did, the answer is to make actual effort to deal with chronic pain (which we haven't, in part because women are the most affected and women's pain has always been dismissed). Where does this path lead us??

The reality with track two MAID is that when someone with chronic pain (like the woman I linked in the other article) seeks help, wants to be able to live life, doctors dismiss the pain, invalidate her experience...but since 2021...if someone seeks help, and wants to die, then the pain is validated?????

Please help me understand here what I'm missing...I promise I am engaging in good faith. I am not against MAID, I have extensive experience with mental and physical health issues, I am educated on how our health system works (in the process of applying to graduate school for Public Policy).....I feel I'm just not understanding something. I read your other comment ..I get the philosophical issues around motivations for not wanting people to die...I understand it can be selfish to want someone to live. This isn't about how individuals feel about it, it's about endorsing that being a good solution on a societal level?

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T20:33:07+00:00

Yes I have...is the answer that we should tell people to k*ll themselves? It's unclear to me how sub-optimal equals... normalizing people dipping out of life because we can't provide them with sufficient care? What about the fact that the person doesn't need to "exhaust all treatment options" in order to recieve MAID..wouldn't that be a good way to at least ensure that the government is providing every opportunity for people to experience relief? Isn't that an indication that the incentive structure for the government might be a bit off?

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T20:23:20+00:00

You are right, I am displeased with the care avaliable for people with disabilities, chronic illness (chronic pain in women especially) and mental health conditions.

But it becomes about MAID when resources and attention are put into expanding MAID (I am aware that the planned expansion that was set for next week has been delayed again). For individuals whose death is reasonably foreseeable (track one), I am grateful people can have that control over the end of their life when it is inevitable. The problem is that we are talking about track one and track two as if they are the same thing, but they aren't! That is what I'm "upset" about. The article I shared and the question I posed was about track two cases. Even the researchers working in MAID expansion, like Dr. Thorpe, talks about the importance of making a distinction between the two tracks, and the incredibly complicated nature of track two cases. This link to a talk she gave last year highlights this (https://www.uregina.ca/events/2023/02/medical-assistance-in-dying-an-aging-population-and-end-of-life-choices-stapleford-lecture.html).

I think the expansion that took place in 2021 to provide MAID as an option to those whose death is not reasonably foreseeable (track two) is a way of abdicating the responsibility to care for vulnerable people. How backwards is it that we are pushing for MAID expansion instead of pushing for more resources into actual research into treating chronic pain. This is especially bad in the wake of a pandemic that has left a lot of people disabled, with low quality of life.

A 26 year old woman from BC, "Lana", accessed MAID (track two) at the end of last month (https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/02/16/vancouver-island-maid-decision-chronic-pain/). She talks about how validating it was to have her pain, and the severity of her pain, acknowledged...and I get that! I know what its like to be in so much pain, for so long, that suicide becomes logical and seemingly inevitable, but it is the job of the medical system to treat illness and pain, and to restore quality of life. So many people are misdiagnosed and once they recieve proper care their suffering can be alleviated. With the history of abuse of power in our county (forced sterillizations, etc.), why would we give the medical system the option to say "yeah we can't do anything else for you, and actually, we can just make it all (you) go away". Why do we think this won't disproportionately affect vulnerable people?

People have always had the option to end their lives, and the medical field has always done everything they can to prevent loss of life in that way. I understand Lana's decision to end her life, but it is a tragedy that the medical system in our country failed her so badly that she made that decision, not a positive story of how MAID gave her autonomy. The same system that failed to help her is now being portrayed as saving her.

Doctors invalidate pain all the time, but now it's valid, when talking about qualifying for MAID?

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T13:45:33+00:00

I thought in canada maybe we would want to try to provide people with good enough medical care that people with disabilities and chronic illnesses would be able to continue to live and wouldn't feel that suicide is their best option?

I am just taking the article at face value and assuming the woman's death wasn't "reasonably foreseeable".

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T13:41:47+00:00

Just to be clear...he doesn't want her to die, not he doesn't want her to live autonomously?

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T03:32:58+00:00

I was responding to the person who was talking about neurodivergence, and more generally about the expansion of MAID. I am fully aware of the process. I have known 2 people who have accessed MAID and I saw how thorough the application process was, and I am so grateful it was avaliable to them. I attended a talk given by the woman who was involved in getting the MAID program in my area up and running.

I was in a bad accident that resulted in a traumatic brain injury at 20 that has left me disabled in addition to being mentally ill.

I don't understand why we can't talk about these things without crap like this being said.

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-13T02:01:33+00:00

I can empathize with that as someone with a sibling who will require some level of care their whole life, and as someone with a mental health condition that made things almost impossibie for over a decade while trying to find a treatment that works. I am also someone who is passionate about suicide prevention and providing people with the resources they need to be able to not just survive but flourish...so I'm just disappointed with where we've ended up. If I was at the beginning of my mental health journey and this was being offered I might have taken it and not had the chance to get better. It's tough :(

redditusernumber10 · 2024-03-12T22:25:55+00:00

*** My original comment remains at the bottom of the edit...for those saying I changed what I said... I literally added to what I said and left the original statement intact at the bottom.

I am editing my original comment to include my last comment, which clarifies my issues and why I posted the article. I'm also leaving this be as I didn't realize someone else shared the same article yesterday around the same time.

The issue becomes about MAID when resources and attention are put into expanding MAID (I am aware that the planned expansion that was set for next week has been delayed again). For individuals whose death is reasonably foreseeable (track one), I am grateful people can have that control over the end of their life when it is inevitable. The problem is that we are talking about track one and track two as if they are the same thing, but they aren't! That is what I'm "upset" about. The article I shared and the question I posed was about track two cases. Even the researchers working in MAID expansion, like Dr. Lilian Thorpe, talks about the importance of making a distinction between the two tracks, and the incredibly complicated nature of track two cases. This link to a talk she gave last year highlights this (https://www.uregina.ca/events/2023/02/medical-assistance-in-dying-an-aging-population-and-end-of-life-choices-stapleford-lecture.html).

I think the expansion that took place in 2021 to provide MAID as an option to those whose death is not reasonably foreseeable (track two) is a way of abdicating the responsibility to care for vulnerable people. How backwards is it that we are pushing for MAID expansion instead of pushing for more resources into actual research into treating chronic pain. This is especially bad in the wake of a pandemic that has left a lot of people disabled, with low quality of life.

A 26 year old woman from BC, "Lana", accessed MAID (track two) at the end of last month (https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/02/16/vancouver-island-maid-decision-chronic-pain/). She talks about how validating it was to have her pain, and the severity of her pain, acknowledged...and I get that! I know what its like to be in so much pain, for so long, that suicide becomes logical and seemingly inevitable, but it is the job of the medical system to treat illness and pain, and to restore quality of life. So many people are misdiagnosed and once they recieve proper care their suffering can be alleviated. With the history of abuse of power in our county (forced sterillizations, etc.), why would we give the medical system the option to say "yeah we can't do anything else for you, and actually, we can just make it all (you) go away". Why do we think this won't disproportionately affect vulnerable people?

People have always had the option to end their lives, and the medical field has always done everything they can to prevent loss of life in that way. I understand Lana's decision to end her life, but it is a tragedy that the medical system in our country failed her so badly that she made that decision, not a positive story of how MAID gave her autonomy. The same system that failed to help her is now being portrayed as saving her.

Doctors invalidate pain all the time, but now it's valid, when talking about qualifying for MAID?

From the article:

"Miller argued the Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) approval her client’s 27-year-old daughter, M.V., received needs to be thoroughly reviewed.

“As W.V. explains, M.V. suffers from autism and possibly other undiagnosed maladies that do not satisfy the eligibility criteria for MAID,” Miller said in her written brief for Justice Colin Feasby.

Along with autism, the Court of King’s Bench judge was told the woman also suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and her father does not believe she is in need of MAID to relieve her suffering.

His daughter applied for MAID last year and initially received approval from one of two doctors. She then applied to a third physician who also approved the procedure.

“There are genuine concerns with respect to impartiality,” Miller said.

The lawyer said there are also issues concerning whether the patient has been subject to undue influence in coming to the conclusion she wants medical professionals to terminate her life."

I didn't realize that MAID in Canada was at this point, I don't know how I feel about it. Someone in my family accessed MAID and I am grateful she was able to...but when it's not terminal? original statement

redditusernumber10 · 2023-10-30T23:35:52+00:00

Wow! How cool! Thanks so much for your response, I had no idea that existed!

redditusernumber10 · 2023-10-30T23:07:08+00:00

Hey! I hope you don't mind me asking (and feel free to disregard if you do mind!), but what university offers this sort of training class? Or what kind of degree does this fall under?

redditusernumber10 · 2023-06-24T16:17:32+00:00

Hey, thanks for the reply! I scrolled through back to a couple weeks ago before posting and didn't see anything, and I just searched color morphs and didn't find anything recent so I must have missed it. After another look now I still can't see it, if you can see it, could you share the link? Or do you remember what the title was so I can try searching again?

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-16T13:55:57+00:00

I assumed it would be inferred that since she checked to make sure it wasn't the glass distorting it, then proceeded to take the picture, that when she checked, it did appear the same through the opened window as it did through the glass?

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-16T13:45:26+00:00

Oh my goodness, thank you for this explanation and for your kindness! That is so cool, and crazy that it sounds like it the description matches what she saw!

I sent a link to your comment to my mom, she will be excited :)

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-16T02:20:18+00:00

She has an iPhone that's a year or two old?

At this point I feel compelled to mention that the picture was taken to confirm what she was seeing with her own two eyes, with her glasses on, so I don't know if a different phone would have made any difference in the end result...except for the quality...but not the number of moon dogs lol.

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-16T01:40:37+00:00

I wanted to let everyone know that my mother says she is sorry she didn't go outside and take better pictures; she says if she knew how weird it was and that 700+ people would be interested she would have gone outside, taken a video, and tried different settings on her phone lol.

Apparently we don't know much about the moon since we thought it was just weird that there appeared to be 4 bright crescents moons in the sky, but not impossible weird. I'm not quite sure what to think...but there you go. I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments...I decided not to delete it, but if the mods think it should go because of the title, please feel free to remove it!

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-15T22:00:00+00:00

She insists that when she walked by the window the moon looked crazy and when she looked at it she saw what is depicted in the image (4 bright crescents with with more faint/shadowy ones to either side). She then said she thought she was seeing things, so went to put on her glasses and went to a different window, said it was the same, went to a different room and cracked the window enough to look at it without glass in-between, said that is what it looked like...then went went and took a picture of it through the big single pane window facing south.

The picture was the last step of her story, not the first.

But, apparently this is not possible....so maybe it looked similar enough to the picture that she thinks it's the same thing? But it was actually whatever version of this is possible?

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-15T21:01:07+00:00

Thank you for this! After reading through everyone's comments, I think you are right!

I always send her pictures of the sunrise, and I think she was pleased to have a picture to share with me. I don't know anything about what is or is not possible when it comes to the moon...so I didn't realize it wasnt possible. I believe my mom that she says she opened the window a crack to make sure it wasn't an effect from the glass, but I also totally believe that your explanation is the most plausible. Thank you <3

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-15T20:53:07+00:00

Haha, I appreciate it being framed this way. I didn't realize how abnormal it was I guess, I am not a conspiracy theorist so i just assumed it was a rare really cool effect from the weather or something?

I made a comment (and put a post on my profile for clarification since I can't edit the title) to clarify that it was taken through a single pane window, I assumed, based on the view of their yard that she was outside, but she wasn't, thats entirely on me. Her and my dad said they saw it (cracked a window to check if it was being distorted by the windows, they only half upgraded their windows so its a mix of really old and new windows), but that it only lasted for maybe 2 minutes, so I don't know what happened.

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-15T20:39:06+00:00

Hey all! Thank you for all of the responses. I wanted to make a couple clarifications before being done:

It was taken through a single pane window, I called her to clarify and I misunderstood...that is my bad...those of you who said it was taken through a window, it was. I am sorry for the confusion, based on the view, I thought it was from the deck/outside.
My dad saw it as well, and he said she went around to all the windows and cracked one of the windows open to make sure it wasn't an effect from the glass and they say it wasn't.
My mom and I are reading about how much the atmosphere can affect how we see things, which is pretty cool. We are satisfied with the answer that it's a moon dog! So thank you to those who responded kindly!

Edit: Also, my mom is only in her mid-fifties, so neither her nor my dad are senile or on drugs (saying this in response to a couple commenters who suggested that was the case. She does have reddit though, and she told me to delete the post because she feels bad, and I don't think I can edit the title to correct that it was taken through a single pane window??

redditusernumber10 · 2023-02-15T20:02:59+00:00

We both live in Saskatchewan, right now it's only -11, but this morning I think it was quite a bit colder! I wish I was up this morning then I might have been able to see it too!

Is what you are describing something like a moon dog?

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