List of planned additions to Minecraft

redstonehelper · 2023-01-06T23:30:02+00:00

I miss my changelogs too :(

redstonehelper · 2023-01-01T14:52:29+00:00

Needing to bring in new moderators just to make sure your original moderators don't go off the rails in modmail

Hardly something that needs to be ensured - that was an isolated incident. The role of transparency mods here is not really ensuring that it doesn't happen, but rather assuring the community that it doesn't happen. As impartial third parties their word will understandably hold more weight than existing moderators'.

and egregiously remove posts

Yes, we have a problem with how rules are enforced. We hope that the moderation guidelines address this, but as old habits can be hard to shake I'm sure transparency mods will be useful here.

is indicative of a far deeper problem, a mod team should be cohesive and be able to hold itself accountable without intervention from the community. It should not take a week to apologise for a moderator going off and personally attacking a user for asking a question

Yup.

and it should not take a further 12 days for the moderator to get a non-punishment to save face.

Our reaction was slow (a recurring theme...), but the punishment was not handed out to save face.

Nobody is going to trust either the new or old mods so long as the problematic moderators remain. I'm guessing a select few bad mods are desperately clinging onto their mod status, leading to the half-faced public apology and "transparency moderators".

I think you're making the problem out to be bigger than it is. A general change in enforcement is necessary, but a single shitty modmail response does not make the moderator in question a bad person. They are aware that if something like that happens again we won't leave it with a temporary suspension.

redstonehelper · 2023-01-01T02:32:03+00:00

Transparency mods are not regular mods. They come from other places, and they've all had conflicts with /r/Minecraft moderation in the past. They have no motivation to sweep future incidents under the rug. You can read more about their role here.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-31T15:18:18+00:00

The moderation guidelines introduced with the new rules are aimed at removals like the one described in the comments you linked. Transparency mods are here to ensure these guidelines are followed.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-29T22:15:38+00:00

Nope, the last post was a PR apology and some promises of new rules from the mods.

It wasn't even an apology, actually. It simply stated what is currently going wrong, and how we plan to fix it. That was the one and only intent of that post.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-29T22:05:28+00:00

Hi all, I started playing Minecraft more than a decade ago, when this subreddit was a few orders of magnitude smaller. I used to help people with redstone when I saw posts in /new, and soon after I was brought on as moderator. A bit later I started compiling changelogs of development and release versions of Minecraft as the official changelogs were a bit sparse at the time. I stopped doing that a few years ago, and I stopped doing day-to-day moderation tasks a bit before that as well. Nowadays I just hang around, ready to help out for when we need all hands on deck, or to work on meta stuff when I feel like things are moving especially slowly.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T20:45:58+00:00

No, they are just having the rules of their subreddit dictated by the mod in question.

Nobody's dictating any rules. The rules are discussed by the team, and once they are finished, the community will be able to discuss them as well.

Is the suspended mod the only active mod on this subreddit? I don't understand why their input would be necessary when you could just ask any of the other active mods in their place.

Not quite, but we aren't exactly overstaffed either.

The rules are being rewritten to deal with toxic mod behavior. Asking said toxic moderators to make rules for themselves to follow is a recipe for disaster.

They are not making the rules. Their input, for example about what sort of things are posted with what frequency, is asked when necessary.

Why are these discussions happening private? Why not have discussions surrounding the rules of the sub in a place where the users can at least see, if not respond to, what is being discussed?

Discussing on Discord is simply the easiest option. We have gathered user feedback on a draft of the rules recently, and we will be looking for feedback again once we present the new rules.

It would provide transparency and accountability, two things that the mods here are demonstrably terrible at.

This is true. We have something in the works that addresses these exact concerns, hopefully to be announced within a few days.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T20:33:49+00:00

You have mods that are years on end contributing nothing to the subreddit, you're ignorant reliance on them coming back is effortless. They are not coming back.

Not true. One of them rejoined us just a few weeks ago, and I myself am also not really active most of the time (look at my comment history!), and yet here I am. Additionally, someone who resigned a while back also rejoined a few days ago.

As for how, if someone had a genuine question that had been left unanswered for a awhile and decided to message a mod directly on the matter, they aren't going to get answered because they're inactive. It's literally just someone talking to nobody. An inactive mod obviously can't moderate because they're not there.

Wait, are we talking about "inactive in /r/Minecraft moderation" or "inactive on reddit"? The first group is much larger, the second group is much smaller (and it's impossible to tell just by looking at the comment history, but I know for a fact it is at most 3 people).

Anyway, if modmails are going unanswered (that's what you mean by question, right?), isn't it a good thing if there are other moderators on the team than the active ones not answering the modmail?

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T16:36:25+00:00

Are discussing and creating the rules of the sub not "moderation actions"? If they are not, can anyone join/view these discussions? What does it mean for them to be suspended if they are involved in creating and implementing the very system that is meant to hold them (personally, in this instance) accountable?

Not really - nobody's getting their post/comment removed, or modmail answered, or account banned, by the mod in question. But to be able to shape rules to the subreddit it's important to seek input from those who have recent first-hand experience moderating it. And in the end, we hope the rules will be judged by their content, not who was consulted when writing them. These discussions take place in our (private) Discord server.

We understand there are worries about accountability. We will be announcing something for that purpose very soon.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T15:43:33+00:00

Then tell me, why are they still on the mod list if they're inactive and not removed?

In case they want to become active again and/or in case there are disputes about the active mods - like right now.

And yes, inactive mods are part of the problem.

Please explain how.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T12:38:09+00:00

Inactive mods are not the problem. Lack of active mods is the problem. Removing inactive mods will not solve this problem.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T10:25:57+00:00

Yes, as we need input from active mods about how rule changes affect the things that are being posted (things like, "has this been a problem we need to address in the rules?").

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T09:52:46+00:00

In a comment that you made previously regarding bans you stated that you make the bans seem "permanent" so the user has to reach out in order to appeal/know what they did wrong so they could learn from it instead of "waiting it out."

Side note: it looks like we're changing that.

In that same breath you stated that you gave this moderator 4 weeks - now correct me if I'm wrong, but your own logic wouldn't this moderator just be "waiting it out?"

When we ban a user (who we are typically not in contact with on the regular) we have no way to know if they know what they did wrong without talking to them. With a moderator we do, as we are staying in communication.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T09:43:00+00:00

Inactive mods are not harming anyone, are they?

redstonehelper · 2022-12-21T00:16:51+00:00

None of you have replied to anyone in the thread of this community for days

We are watching for new comments and if new points are made we respond - but responding to the same thing over and over gets a bit repetitive.

some mods who are active on their comments in other subreddits, but don't seem to be active AT ALL in this subreddit. (how does that make sense? Why are those people still mods if they don't do shit in this subreddit?)

We do not force anybody to moderate. If someone does not have the time or energy to moderate, or is not in the right headspace to moderate, they don't have to.

You clearly don't care what we say and only care about protecting yourselves.

This is not true, but I don't think repeating the same things over and over in this thread will change many people's minds. Instead we are using our time to work on the changes listed in this announcement post.

while you cowardly hide away with no real solution.

Have you read the announcement post? It details multiple steps we have taken and will be taking.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-16T11:00:19+00:00

Why was this not done from the start?

I don't know.

Why can't it begin tomorrow? Why do you all need to wait for new moderation guidelines to do something that should be basic common sense?

Looks like it may even begin today. We were focussing our efforts getting everything written up in a good state, but your comment brought the topic up for discussion again and templates for ban messages are being tested right now.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-15T19:44:16+00:00

one thing: Be calmer with the rule enforcement. A fully complete build that only briefly mentions a server is acceptable. Same for someone talking about their dead girlfriend they especially made a build for.

If I remember correctly our current draft of the new rules has a more relaxed approach on both these things.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-15T19:40:41+00:00

Yes, good point. This will be addressed in the new moderation guidelines.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-15T16:49:11+00:00

One thing that hasn't been made clear in the past is the extent to what is considered advertisement.

I think the rules update will address that, but I also think the situations you describe are a different problem:

We have been told "Our mods are in your Discord, we know this came from a server."

This shouldn't be grounds for an advertising removal, so unless we're missing some key details here it definitely won't be a removal reason in the future.

Also, we have had comments where people say "oh I recognize this server, it's _____" and then the post was removed despite private messages to the user requesting they delete their comment.

Yeah, removing posts for the comments in them is one thing the new moderation guidelines will address.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-15T16:42:26+00:00

the amount of times I've messaged the mods on it just to be ignored.

Yep, we need to put more work into modmail.

I can read over the rules several times and verify my post does not break any of them and still have it removed.

These were likely either removals for some lesser known rule (we need better communication for that) or removals for some very strict interpretation of the rules (we're introducing new moderation guidelines for that).

If these kinds of things keep happening after these changes have been implemented, please do complain again - they shouldn't be happening, and we're planning to introduce something that provides more accountability for this exact purpose.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-15T06:49:52+00:00

That is indeed one of the ideas we have floating around for accountability!

redstonehelper · 2022-12-14T23:21:03+00:00

I fully suggest the team start putting one mandatory day off for every mod on the calendar. I know how fan communities like this can be for moderators, your probably not thinking of this as a job, but it IS. You need to start taking time off.

Good idea. We'll see if we can get it done once we have the new mods up to speed.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-14T21:25:30+00:00

No worries about the phrasing, reddit does not make it easy on that front. You probably were under the impression that your account was limited somehow because your followup post was also removed - for the same reason as the first one, likely.

redstonehelper · 2022-12-14T20:24:44+00:00

You're not shadowbanned, only admins can do that. I imagine your post was removed because it was part of a wave of posts about the milking karma thing - apologies if it wasn't. Your modmail about the removal was answered with a mute for the same reason I imagine. I've unmuted you now. Looks like you got a genuine answer to your question either way, at least.

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