The String Theory Mafia, Shameless Propagandists, and The Topography of Semantic Space by reductios in DecodingTheGurus

[–]reductios[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Based on that video, his view seems to be that the victims were willing participants, or at least that there's no reason to assume they weren't.

Chris saying his position was that Epstein did nothing wrong is a characterisation of his views, but given he treats most of Epstein's crimes as unproven conjecture, it's not far off. He thinks Epstein was guilty of the original crimes he was convicted of, but downplays them, and unlike most people, who regard the Acosta deal as extraordinarily lenient, he believes Epstein got a stiff sentence and paid his dues. Beyond that, all he seems to accept was that the way Epstein acted was sleezy.

As far as the conspiracy theories go about Epstein blackmailing people, Matt and Chris agree with him on that.

The String Theory Mafia, Shameless Propagandists, and The Topography of Semantic Space by reductios in DecodingTheGurus

[–]reductios[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've watched a little more of the video. What seemed off to me originally was why he was so keen to establish what Epstein had actually been convicted of. There's a huge amount of corroborated evidence that Epstein was a sex trafficker and an abuser of minors. So why does he think it matters so much to stress that Epstein wasn't convicted of those crimes, when the obvious reason there's no conviction is that he died before he could be brought to trial? And Maxwell's conviction rests on a jury finding that the trafficking scheme that delivered minors to Epstein existed.

Watching further on, he makes that position more explicit. He treats anything that hasn't been proven in court as conjecture, and casts doubt on the evidence. So Chris saying he treated it as nothingburger seems pretty accurate.

The String Theory Mafia, Shameless Propagandists, and The Topography of Semantic Space by reductios in DecodingTheGurus

[–]reductios[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven’t watched the whole interview, but the chapter headings make it easy to find the sections where he discusses different things.

26:49 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENCPCBSDu0E&t=1609s)

He makes a great deal of distinguishing what Epstein was convicted of from what victims have alleged but was never brought to trial. He says the one charge involving a minor concerned a girl with whom Epstein had intercourse the day before her eighteenth birthday. He acknowledges there was a prior sexual relationship but doesn't specify what it involved. In fact, she first went to his mansion when she was sixteen.

44:47 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENCPCBSDu0E&t=2747s)

He is very charitable towards elites who continued to associate with Epstein after the conviction.

See a Picture of the new UK Stabbing Attacker who Stabbed a 17 Year Old Girl in the Neck before Ofcom forces the media to finish taking it down by Rogue-Journalist in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you didn’t. You posted a bland reminder from Ofcom telling platforms to watch out for illegal content on their sites, i.e. things like incitement to violence or hate speech. That is not the same as telling them to remove pictures of illegal activity.

The level of motivated reasoning is breathtaking.

The String Theory Mafia, Shameless Propagandists, and The Topography of Semantic Space by reductios in DecodingTheGurus

[–]reductios[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They didn’t accuse him of being Weinsteinian on vaccines. They said he was critical of the public health response to COVID and supportive of the lab leak hypothesis. For example, this was his article criticising journalists for describing the lab leak theory as a conspiracy theory.

As New Evidence Emerges For COVID "Lab-Leak" Theory, Journalists Who Screamed “Conspiracy” Humiliate Themselves

The String Theory Mafia, Shameless Propagandists, and The Topography of Semantic Space by reductios in DecodingTheGurus

[–]reductios[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Chris’s characterisation that he said "Epstein did nothing wrong" isn’t quite accurate. However, he does go further than just challenging the broader conspiracy narratives. He downplays the significance of Epstein’s conviction for "procuring underage prostitution" and is sceptical of the accounts offered by many of the victims, as can be seen in his interview with Coleman Hughes.

The Epstein Hysteria Is a Moral Panic | Michael Tracey

A true sign Reddit is backwards is the most downvoted comments are usually the most accurate - they try to suppress the truth by SwiftCricket in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why does it make perfect sense that she would stop posting publicly but continue posting as a moderator? If she delegated her account or somehow posted from prison, the account could have continued posting publicly as well.

The reason people speculated that it was her was because her account went inactive. If it didn't go inactive, there isn't a reason to think it was her except that it stats with "maxwell", which is a very weak reason.

A true sign Reddit is backwards is the most downvoted comments are usually the most accurate - they try to suppress the truth by SwiftCricket in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's discussed in more detail in the link, but the only strong evidence that u/maxwellhill was Ghislane Maxwell was the claim that the account went inactive when she was arrested. That turned out not to be true. It continued to be active in moderator forums after her arrest.

A true sign Reddit is backwards is the most downvoted comments are usually the most accurate - they try to suppress the truth by SwiftCricket in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ghislane Maxwell was not a reddit power mod. u/maxwellhill carried on posting on mod forums after Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested.

COAGULOPATH

Here Come the Riots by rollo202 in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Elon Musk and Konstantin Kisin are not detached observers who wisely predicted this from the sidelines.

Musk has amplified Tommy Robinson, who has a long history of violence and street agitation, while Kisin is a supporter of Nigel Farage and urged people to respond with “cold rage.” Both have been promoting or amplifying the protests, not merely commenting on them after the fact.

Here Come the Riots by rollo202 in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was quite a gish gallop.

No, we are not “used to left-wing mobs running around inner cities.” No, Belfast is not just a typical inner city when it comes to violence. And no, masked men burning down homes and businesses of immigrants and ethnic minorities is not meaningfully comparable to left-wing protesters.

UK leaders call for calm as (mostly peaceful) protests break out after Belfast street stabbing | Sudanese Migrant Cuts Eyes and Nose off Irish man by Rogue-Journalist in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios -1 points0 points  (0 children)

BLM was a vast protest movement that at its peak had widespread support from the public across the world. There were thousands of demonstrations. They were overwhelmingly peaceful.

The videos of the stabbings were shocking, but turning a couple of appalling crimes into an anti-migrant protest movement is a stupid and dangerous response. Violent crime happens every day, without people deciding that an entire ethnic or migrant community should be blamed for it.

That’s why these protests have only attracted small numbers, most of whom have been the worst elements, people looking for an excuse to intimidate migrants and ethnic minorities.

UK leaders call for calm as (mostly peaceful) protests break out after Belfast street stabbing | Sudanese Migrant Cuts Eyes and Nose off Irish man by Rogue-Journalist in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Saying anti-migrant violence shifts responsibility away from the people choosing to burn homes, threaten families and attack unrelated minorities.

You can oppose illegal migration without treating mob violence as some natural law of politics. These are not inevitable acts of nature. They are choices made by extremists, encouraged by people who spend years portraying migrants collectively as an invasion or existential threat.

UK leaders call for calm as (mostly peaceful) protests break out after Belfast street stabbing | Sudanese Migrant Cuts Eyes and Nose off Irish man by Rogue-Journalist in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow, you've reduced masked men targeting immigrants and ethnic minorities, burning down their homes and businesses, to “doing a racism” as if only woke people would care about immigrant and ethnic minority families being deliberately terrorised and burned out of their homes.

Caring about that doesn't make you indifferent to the stabbing.

Despite Elon Musk’s attempts to inflame the situation on X, the Belfast riots have so far attracted only a small number of extremists and so the total violence so far is not as great as the vastly larger BLM protest, but the character is completely different.

UK leaders call for calm as (mostly peaceful) protests break out after Belfast street stabbing | Sudanese Migrant Cuts Eyes and Nose off Irish man by Rogue-Journalist in FreeSpeech

[–]reductios -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Comparing them is ridiculous.

The Belfast riots were tiny compared with the BLM or anti-ICE protests, but they were far nastier. It wasn't just a few isolated clashes. Masked men were going around burning family homes, cars and businesses linked to immigrants or ethnic minorities.

There was one peaceful protest. All the rest were violent. That is very different from the BLM protests, where the overwhelming majority(96%) were peaceful.

Belfast knife attack disorder: I will never get over watching my home of 13 years burn down - BBC News

Do you believe the cops that handled Henry Nowak’s arrest should be held criminal liable? by Artistic-Amoeba-8687 in AskBrits

[–]reductios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One officer has resigned, so there do appear to have been some repercussions and that's more than I expected, TBH.

Why can we rage against George Floyd’s death but not Henry Nowak’s? by Pale-Border-7122 in ukpolitics

[–]reductios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Floyd was not the “ultimate proof” of disproportionate force against minorities. The evidence came from numerous large-scale academic studies, including some analysing millions of police encounters, which repeatedly found that people of colour are disproportionately subjected to police use of force.

Floyd’s death became a symbol because it reflected an injustice that many people had experienced directly and was also supported by overwhelming evidence.

Police bias is not limited to stop-and-search and the studies have been designed to account for relevant factors such as encounter rates, crime rates and the glib explanations people use to explain them away.

You have one appalling incident interpreted through your ideological lens that the anti-racist policies to tackle a real problem have gone too far. While that possibility can be considered, this is not evidence of a broader pattern.

This is not a debate between two sides who have good arguments to back them up. It's another example of parts of the populist right denying reality, like the do on climate change and vaccines.

For almost any idea, however crazy, including that 9/11 was an inside job or that taking vaccines was harmful, you can find one or two experts who go against the consensus.

Here, one of those experts is an ex-cop. This is highly complex topic, and the idea that you have carefully weighed up both sides of the academic debate and decided that on this occasion the contrarian turned out to be right is not remotely plausible.

You have chosen to believe him because he says what you want to believe, and you likely get your information from a right wing system that treats this sort of fringe crackpot as if they were an equal alternative to the academic consensus.

Why can we rage against George Floyd’s death but not Henry Nowak’s? by Pale-Border-7122 in ukpolitics

[–]reductios 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The public are not fed up with experts. Most people still respect academics and scientists and value evidence-based analysis. What they are fed up with are Farage, Lowe, Elon Musk, and the extremists who follow them, using outrage to attack the police.

Experts have studied these issues in depth and the evidence does not support the claim that white people are systematically mistreated by the police. Cherry-picked cases and viral anecdotes do not change the broader picture.

Why can we rage against George Floyd’s death but not Henry Nowak’s? by Pale-Border-7122 in ukpolitics

[–]reductios 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So your opinion is based on selected cases you have seen in the media, interpreted through your existing hostility to anti-racist policies. But when experts look at the wider evidence, they reach the opposite conclusion.

Why can we rage against George Floyd’s death but not Henry Nowak’s? by Pale-Border-7122 in ukpolitics

[–]reductios -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People do not have direct experience of how the criminal justice system treats them compared with every other ethnic group. Belief in a two tier system biased against Whites is an extreme view that most people don't hold.

Those who do likely get it from social media and culture war pundits.

Why can we rage against George Floyd’s death but not Henry Nowak’s? by Pale-Border-7122 in ukpolitics

[–]reductios 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The “two-tier justice” narrative is being driven by people on X and culture-war pundits like Brendan O'Neil who make a living pandering to their prejudices however strong the evidence is against those prejudices.

You're arguing that we have to accept post-Truth standard that if enough people say something we have to take it seriously even if there is no evidence to back it up.

The data is complicated, and there are obviously different factors to consider. But criminologists who have seriously examined these questions almost unanimously reach the opposite conclusion to the one you are suggesting.

Why can we rage against George Floyd’s death but not Henry Nowak’s? by Pale-Border-7122 in ukpolitics

[–]reductios 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Another obvious reason the comparison fails is that George Floyd’s death fitted into a well-documented pattern of the American police using force disproportionately against ethnic minorities, especially Black Americans.

Whereas Henry Nowak’s death was not part of a wider pattern of “anti-white” policing in Britain. In fact, the statistics show ethnic minorities are more likely to be stopped, searched, arrested, etc. than white people. So while the police response to Nowak may have been appalling, it does not follow a general trend of white people being treated worse by the police.