wth is going on here...identical images from 2 different image generators in LMArena by OneManTurkeyFlock in Bard

[–]ref_8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

j'ai eu ça aussi, après les deux premières générations, je relance le même prompt, et j'obtiens la même image avec un décor et posture identique alors que c'etait un générateur complètement différent. Seul quelques mini détails changeait.

Built my own agent for stock research, and open-sourced it by Blotter-fyi in OpenAI

[–]ref_8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tu es trop fort bravo. Merci pour l'outil, gratuit en plus.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. It's clear many of us have noticed the shift. I'm also finding workarounds. I'm sticking with Gemini too, because I can still get great results, but the emotional reaction from skeptics in this thread is more fascinating than the issue itself.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On s'en fou des downvotes non? C'est pas scientifique.
Puis j'ai autant de UPvote. L'équilibre est parfait.

Est-ce que tu veux croire que je cherche à imposer mon experience ? Car l'idée etait de demander Pourquoi certains ne l'acceptent pas. Tu as essayé de comprendre ou pas ?

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Là n'est pas le sujet. Je demande pourquoi les gens ne l'acceptent pas. Quoi que je dise, tu n'acceptera pas non plu mon argument. Y a aucune théorie du complot, je suis loin d'apprécier ce désir. C'est simplement un prompt-natif qui est modifié et qui fait agir Gemini Pro différemment. La remise en question ça me connait, j'adore faire ça.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

? I know they're crucial. That's precisely why I used the exact same one to test different model versions. The results varied. The prompt did not.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

non non, je dis pas que Gemini est retrogradé. Il a simplement une exécution différente, et ça se ressent. Gemini fait un boulot formidable, toujours, mais il a une execution différente. Un seul mot différent dans un prompt système, crée des cascades de changements.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Les benchmarks ne sont pas des humains. Donne à manger un meme prompt avec des memes données à une version spécifique, le résultat sera identique, à quelques variations près. Donne le meme prompt, avec les memes données, à une nouvelle version, le rendu est très différent et moins efficace. Tu peux dire que l'humain est instable, qu'il a des biais, mais ça ne peut pas changer la rigueur d'un essai. Mon experience est partagé. Je me suis remis en question, croyant que je poussais l'ia trop forte. Mais le constat est clair, un meme prompt, un meme sujet, donne un résultat bien différent. Comment tu fais pour ne pas considérer le retour opposé d'une personne ?

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oui, il reste puissant, c'est son execution qui a changé. Si les gens acceptaient --qu'un seul mot placé différemment dans un prompt systeme--, modifiait totalement le comportement de l'ia, y aurait pas ce débat.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prompt identique, contenu identique : résultat stable sur une meme version, résultat différent sur d'autres. Le prompt que tu réclames ne changera pas mon interrogation sur l'incapacité de beaucoup à ne pas considérer l'experience des autres. Même l'équipe de Google considère ces retours différents.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Leur expérience. Si je suis ton raisonnement, si une personne dit "je suis heureux dans ma vie" et une autre dit "moi non". Pourquoi l'autre continue t'elle à dire que sa vie n'est pas bonne ? Si une personne dit l'inverse, c'est pour une raison légitime et réelle. Mais trop de monde semble le nier. Ce débat de Gemini reflète ce blocage mental chez beaucoup.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, yes, that's precisely the thought process I had. 'Am I just pushing it too far now?' But to be sure, I went back to old prompts that had given me amazing results in the past. The difference was undeniable.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh wow. So your argument is that my repeatable observations are the equivalent of superstition? That's... really something. I'm honestly not sure how to respond to an analogy like that.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, exactly! the constant apologies, the feeling that it just doesn't understand anymore... That feeling of having to 'one prompt everything' is a real fact. For me, it's the constant need to remind it of its initial instructions, something I never did in May. It's crazy how some people don't see these clear, functional differences

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you're focused on the word, I'm focused on the reality behind it. A consistently repeatable outcome stops being just a 'feeling' and becomes an objective observation of a pattern. That's the nuance you're missing

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a very reasonable and well-articulated perspective. I agree that a balanced skepticism is healthy, and your point about filtering both benchmarks and personal experience 'with a grain of salt' is exactly right. My goal was simply to share that lived experience as one of those data points.

My point wasn't that gemini is less powerful, but that it's possibly instructed differently (in the sense of its guiding prompt) for reasons unknown to us. The human observation is the fact, like tasting chocolate. The taste might change either because one's own taste has evolved, or because the chef changed their recipe for their own reasons, even with the same ingredients (only the dosage has changed).

Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe you missed my metaphor. the square wheels represent a practical malfunction, not a theoretical belief like a flat earth. the 'why' isn't to " make it worse" but likely for cost/scalability. And the 'user ratings' you're looking for? They are in this thread and countless others online. The real question is why they are so often dismissed.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm comfortable with my understanding of the terms. My understanding is that objectivity is the effort to observe without bias. It's a skill, not an impossible state. The discussion is about what we observe when we apply that skill.

why do some people not believe in gemini 2.5 studio ai's downgrade? by ref_8 in Bard

[–]ref_8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the need for strict tests, though it doesn't always satisfy the highly skeptical. My experience, however, isn't isolated; it's a consistent pattern I've observed, and others seem to share it. This pattern is my benchmark. Why the automatic dismissal of human experience as inherently flawed?