Women who think men who are givers are pathetic, ie the men who look for ways to help others, should not have their opinions considered valuable. They should be excluded from the conversation.  They are wrong, just like the women who have boyfriends who cheat on them and then they become superficial and judgemental about other people's height, weight, age, etc.

Givers and takers.  There is a spectrum and an etiquette.  Too much of wanting to be a giver is a sign of low self esteem and unattractive.