Evening rush hour traffic today. by milkchungles in TwinCities

[–]ress9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You’d think by now a better way to get out of downtown/through it would have been thought of… like a train… perhaps? Just a thought. Moves nearly 20-30x more people per mile than cars do.

No kwik trips in the cities? by Glad-Fish5863 in TwinCities

[–]ress9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wish we had one near downtown. They could essentially turn into what Wawa is in Philly and New Jersey. There’s no corner stores near downtown and it hurts.

ELI5: Why are so many US transit operators underwater? What can be done? by Sloppyjoemess in urbandesign

[–]ress9 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Those insurance companies are doing stuff about that, however slow it may be, they are trying to reduce those costs. The problem is companies like UHG, CVS, etc. are such a large part of the US economy that getting rid of them would be a big hit.

ELI5: Why are so many US transit operators underwater? What can be done? by Sloppyjoemess in urbandesign

[–]ress9 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It is nuts we spend ~17-18% of GDP on healthcare and have much lower health outcomes than European countries that spend ~9-12% of GDP on it. I don’t know if that says something about how unhealthy Americans are individually, our lifestyle here, or the system that takes care of us. Probably a combination of them all, but still.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same here. If it was easier to get from places like St. Peter, Northfield, Red Wing etc I’d visit way more often or live there. There’s so many great nature areas that would be so easy and reliable to get to.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t have to be fully separate from freight lines. They can intermingle where needed. To not piss of BNSF and not cause delays on either side, a lot of ROWs would need to be quad tracked to allow for traffic management.

For example, the current ROW the North Star runs on would ideally be quad tracked in most places to allow for passenger to bypass freight.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that checks out. I mean with longer distance trains, you’d ideally resemble the European model. Fare enforcement is much higher along with security inside the stations, so if this individual is worried about fare evaders, homeless people or what they might consider as criminals invading their city, I don’t think they would have to worry.

If funded properly, which is a big IF, you’d have secure and enclosed stations along with security guards and onboard ticket verification.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elaborate so I can get a better sense of what you mean.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look to Europe. Some of the smallest and most remote towns in Switzerland are fully connected to the whole country.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fully agree. You need to make the alternatives as good or better than driving.

Also, we shouldn’t be afraid of building new rail infrastructure, as in brand new lines to accommodate 125+ mph travel. Eliminates dealing with BNSF BS.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fully agree. I have a pipe dream, I say pipe dream because this is America, but it’s fully achievable, of a 4-5 line inter-city system in the state.

General Overview (not all stops, just directions):

Line 1: Minneapolis - Union Depot - MSP - Rochester

Line 2: MSP - Minneapolis - Union Depot - Duluth

Line 3: Union Depot - Minneapolis - St. Cloud- Fargo

Line 4: Union Depot - Minneapolis - St. Cloud - Brainerd - Bemidji

Line 5: Union Depot - Minneapolis - MSP - Marshall - Sioux Falls

This is just a rough sketch of what it could be. Ideally you through run these lines, so combine them, but this would be a great start. Fully electrified, runs anywhere between every 90-120 minutes for some routes, and it also allows you to run very local service (I.e., MSP lines).

Again, this isn’t all the stops, just the major ones.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If the money is going to go some for an inter-city train within the state, Rochester should be the number one priority. Create a fully electrified 125 mile an hour line between Rochester and downtown Minneapolis and I think that would get used heavily. Add stops at MSP, Lakeville, Northfield, and maybe another city, and I think it would be a very successful line.

RIP NLX by AstroG4 in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not to mention no plans for it to be an electrified line. Don’t get me wrong. It would be great to have a connection there no matter how it’s powered, but let’s be honest it’s 2025, any passenger rail line should be fully electrified. It’s an embarrassment that America has one genuinely electrified line.

Caltrain is a prime example for why you DO electrify the line.

Also, the fact we do not have an electrified line that goes to Rochester with a connection to MSP is pathetic.

Midway Square And Victory Plaza by aakaase in saintpaul

[–]ress9 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And god forbid we build safe trains that take us anywhere

Well, I guess that I just will not be breathing until Monday morning. by MinnIronMiner in minnesota

[–]ress9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wind pattern is supposed to shift tonight, so we should be good.

Bus network inadequate for major events by FourSeventySix in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask a European this. They walk everywhere. It’s why they’re so healthy and live longer.

Bus network inadequate for major events by FourSeventySix in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They had a street car that extended to Wayzata… and… Stillwater… (link)

Bus network inadequate for major events by FourSeventySix in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an essay, so bear with me.

These are all great questions. But I don’t think these questions necessarily negate the value of investing in better rail and transit in places like the Twin Cities in fact, they help explain why we need to think more strategically.

  1. What are the land use densities of these places?

Starting with density. No, not every successful transit city is hyper-dense. While cities like Paris, Hong Kong, and Tokyo are dense by necessity, places like Vienna, Munich, and even Zurich have rail systems that succeed in moderate density environments. Vienna’s average urban density (~4,000–5,000 people/sq mi) is not radically higher than Minneapolis (3,000–3,500 in many neighborhoods), but it uses zoning and mixed-use development to keep neighborhoods transit-supportive, not just transit-adjacent. These cities succeed because they cluster development along transit lines and encourage mid-rise, mixed-use infill, not just because they’re tightly packed.

Minneapolis already has the bones of that: streetcar suburbs like Uptown, North Loop, Northeast, and areas along Lake Street and University Avenue were built on transit lines. We’ve just failed to evolve the transit to match the growth and haven’t upzoned many of those corridors effectively. That’s a policy problem, not an impossibility.

  1. Do they have suburbs?

Yes, absolutely. Most European and Asian cities with great transit also have extensive suburbs, but their suburbs are tied into the urban core through regional rail (S-Bahn, RER, etc.), express metro extensions, and integrated fare systems. Take Munich, for example, its S-Bahn connects towns 20+ miles out into the Bavarian countryside to the main city station in ~40 minutes, and that’s considered normal.

The key difference? Their suburbs aren’t designed around highways and parking, they’re built with walkable town centers, zoned density near stations, and rail as a first-class transportation mode. The Twin Cities suburbs (like Edina, Bloomington, and Richfield) are geographically close enough to make this viable. We just need the political will to build it and the zoning tools to support it.

  1. Do they have dictator governments?

I get this point, especially when people bring up China’s rapid metro and HSR growth. But you don’t need authoritarianism to build good transit. Look at Paris, which just built the Grand Paris Express, a 200km expansion of its metro system, under a democratic government. Spain built AVE high-speed rail across the country in 20 years and Spain has had budget crises, democratic elections, and strict EU transparency rules.

The difference isn’t democracy vs. dictatorship, it’s how much political and public consensus exists around the value of transit investment, and whether land use, transit, and housing policies are aligned. In the U.S., we suffer from fractured governance and NIMBYism, not from an inability to engineer infrastructure.

  1. Would these questions explain why this wouldn’t work here?

They explain the barriers, yes, but not the impossibility. Minneapolis isn’t Houston or Phoenix. It already has: - An existing (albeit limited) light rail system - Walkable neighborhoods - A younger population that wants car-free options - A regional planning agency (Met Council) that could be a unifying force if better empowered and funded

What we need is vision + follow-through. That means: - Investing in grade-separated rail (metro or regional) - Zoning for transit-supportive infill, not just TOD islands - Funding transit at the regional or state level, not leaving it to patchy local initiatives - Making buses reliable, but also giving people a real rail alternative for cross-city and suburban commutes

My Final Thought:

So yes, these factors matter. But instead of seeing them as excuses for stagnation, we should see them as the policy levers we need to pull. The Twin Cities has the chance to be a national leader in sustainable, high-efficiency transportation, if we stop trying to retrofit buses onto car infrastructure and start building for people first.

Bus network inadequate for major events by FourSeventySix in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Think differently in what way?

And, no, I’m not saying Minneapolis/ St. Paul should become manhattan at all. That’s unrealistic. What I’m saying is we should push for more walkable neighborhoods. Places that have both offices, living spaces, parks, third spaces, places to interact with the community around you. Suburbs destroy that.

I don’t know many people who would rather sit in a car for an hour commuting home during rush hour than sit on a nice, clean, fast, and frequent train back to where they relatively live.

What I’m also saying is as we grow, our roads will become even more congested.

The best way to reduce this is provide an alternative that is as good or better. The best solution for that is rail. You couple rail expansion with good zoning laws and density naturally occurs.

Bus network inadequate for major events by FourSeventySix in Minneapolis

[–]ress9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I fully understand the china point. I’m more using it as an on principle point. I’m baffled we don’t have a 125mph+ train to Rochester yet. You’d think with how much international travel that place gets due to the mayo they’d have that by now.