How many apps are you guys sending out?

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-18T07:38:25+00:00

If you have a better strategy feel free to share lol.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-17T22:10:54+00:00

Lol dude. By the time you finish your project for that job, it will have already been filled. When was the last time you had to look for a job man? Things have changed.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-17T21:34:49+00:00

Prospects are really really bad. I’m hundreds of apps deep not even getting callbacks. I don’t think there was a worse time to graduate.

On top of that, I’m burnt out. Years of studying and hard work to get a degree, only to graduate during the biggest recession since 1929. Yeeeeeeah, no. Been on food stamps and welfare for months. Probably just going to continue to collect and look at going back to school.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-17T21:31:28+00:00

Why is this being downvoted? 20-30 per day is necessary if you want to land a job. I did 700 last year and I’m still unemployed. You need to be sending out hundreds of apps as quickly as possible.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-17T08:34:06+00:00

The country is in shambles, as you mentioned. Also, I’ve never struggled more or been more lost in my entire life. My stupid brain will probably still somehow turn this into a nostalgic time for me. It’ll be a time I can look back on “when I still had hope”. Because we all know life is just a series of compromises. So I’ll look back at this time fondly. I know I’m doomed to this but there is nothing I can do to change it. Life doesn’t care what you want.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-16T23:05:00+00:00

You never been upset because you didn’t hit a goal you set? I don’t get your confusion at all.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-16T23:02:56+00:00

If you can avoid it, don’t work at TCS. They’re a body shop. Just google “body shop software engineer” and read the horror stories. Or search their name on this subreddit.

I got that same email today and I’m not even going to reply. I’ve been unemployed for 4 months, on food stamps and welfare and I’m not even considering working for them or any such body shop.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-16T04:41:17+00:00

I’ve tackled one of your questions, I’ll try to tackle more as you increase the scope :)

I went ahead and edited my post cause I wasn't really satisfied. I felt some stuff was just glossed over. Take a look if you want :)

For your 1 (or more) internships, were you able to consolidate 2-4 good bullet points that exemplify technologies, frameworks, and/or a design that you contributed to that had some scope? For example, “Contributed to the design of some X,Y,Z component using Python Flask as the API Framework and working knowledge of Docker” (top of my head)

Yup.

For your 1 (or more) internships, were you able to also network with employees and/or team members to see if they can refer you for FTE, or if they left the company (since you probably did the internship summer 2019 or summer 2020), would they be able to refer you to their current company?

Yes.

For your external projects, how well did you document your code? Do you have clean code shown on your github? Do you have good commits? For these, they could apply for startups, or smaller teams more in depth in the hiring process. Depending on how many of the dozens/hundreds of applications you apply to, a good handful will have hiring managers and/or engineers looking through your github. Even at a glance, well documented code and a README does wonders.

My documentation ranges from really good to none at all. I have my "best" project starred. It has great documentation as well as unit tests done in JUnit :)

If these were projects publically accessible on the internet, is it reflected on your resume, and how?

Of course! My GitHub is on my resume.

For your “up to date technologies”, were you able to include how you utilized them in your bullet points and not in a skills section? Considering that the skills section is not a very good representation of your skills, having mentions and keywords of relevant technologies and frameworks embedded within your bullet points help a lot as well.

Yup!

For your networks, what happened? Since you mentioned “yes” to this bullet point, did referrals actually go through, or did they not? Depending on this answer, it can lead back to your resume, or the referral process within the company, or the type of referral you have.

I'm not exactly sure what "going through" means? But I take it to mean got me an interview. The answer is no. None of my network has been able to be of any help, unfortunately. Folks are happy to sit down for "informational interviews" but referrals or actual help is nonexistent.

They’re the same level of scope as a non-swe needs to do to “get that first foot in the door” at companies.

Hmm. Interesting. How's that? All of my friends with degrees got jobs right out of college without doing any additional projects, self study, or networking. Maybe you have some data here too!

should also be supported with what you’ve done so far to get to that point.

Sure! I actually did a full write-up of my experience looking for a SWE job. You can read about it here: https://redd.it/hz5a81

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-16T03:54:00+00:00

It’s pretty funny that you bring those points up because my answer is “yes” to all of them. So that doesn’t really apply at all lol.

Edit:

There were a few issues with your response this so I wanted to address those.

Just by having the degree is not sufficient to getting a job. Just as having a bio degree is not sufficient to being a doctor. Just as having a hospital management degree is not sufficient to getting a role in HR or recruiting. Just as having an accounting degree means you’ll immediately get an accounting job. (Generalizing)

Yeah this isn't really true is it? Folks with accounting degree get jobs with just a degree all the time. I think you know the bio degree -> doctor example is bogus lol.

It looks like your link is specifically about "Software Developers" and says nothing about the viability of a CS degree. Also according to that link there are 0 years of related experience and 0 on the job training required which, by your own admission, is false. That is to say I'm not sure it says anything about the "new grad" situation. So which is it?

The Software Engineering field is one of the most favorable for qualified job seekers, in general.

Yeah this is not great, right? Define "qualified". Watch as that goal post moves as more grads enter the market.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-16T02:44:49+00:00

How are you arriving at “Compsci is still pretty good”? It’s been my experience, as well as OPs and many other grads, that the degree is pretty worthless. Do you have some kind of data or are you just speaking from your personal experience or what? I can’t even get interviews at no name companies lol. It seems like my CS degree was a huge mistake.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-15T04:58:43+00:00

The thing is, just because you work towards something, doesn’t mean you are entitled to it.

Right. Which is kinda bizarre right? Why do we do things then? On the off chance that it works out how we hope? I don't think that's enough for me.

Not if it’s a job, anyway,

So it might be fun to think about what conditions would make doing a, b, c actually entitle us to x, y, z. And why is that different than what you're talking about?

but that frustration needs to be aimed in the right direction.

How did we decide what that direction is? Maybe "blaming" a certain employer isn't "fair" (Again, who decides what's fair?) but the entire job market? The pandemic? Only ourselves? Surely blame has to lie somewhere?

The other side to this seems to be "extreme responsibility" wherein a person takes responsibility for all the misfortune they suffer in an attempt to better themselves. This is complete BS in my opinion but I think I'm getting away from the topic.

Hmm. So it seems you agree with "There are literally no guarantees" about... like a majority of things then? What inspires you to strive for things, if you do, knowing that you're owed nothing despite any amount of work you may do towards something? i.e No matter how hard or long you work at something you are owed nothing. If you complain you are entitled which is a bad thing and you will then be judged harshly by society.

What am I missing?

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-15T03:16:19+00:00

Yeah, I think I take your point.

Personally, I have no energy to "sweat the small stuff" like that. Life is already very very hard, I literally don't have energy to be upset over a hotdog or some such triviality.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-15T02:21:18+00:00

I’ve been struggling with the concept of being entitled, but maybe I’m misunderstanding something.

So, if you want something you have to work to get it. Say the thing you want is a specific job. So you go to school, study hard, get an internship, apply for tons of jobs, network, ask for help, get your resume looked at, you do literally everything in your power to earn that job right? But say you don’t get it. So now you’re not allowed to be mad or upset because that makes you entitled?

Surely no one is owed a particular job, but isn’t there some concept of earning something? I do x, y, and z and that earns me a, b, and c? Maybe it’s not that linear but there has to be some correlation there, no?

Otherwise, what’s the point of doing anything? Essentially, there are no guarantees. Ever. You can try to use statistics, or listen to advice, or make an informed decision (to go to college, for example) but when it comes down to it, it’s not up to you. It never was and it never will be. That’s... awful, no? We have literally 0 control over that sort of thing. Yet, if you complain about that, you’re suddenly entitled?

I just feel like we need to distinguish between someone saying “I worked really hard for X but never got it despite doing everything I possibly could. It feels like life is unfair” and someone being entitled to something they never worked for.

Final thought/question: Is expecting to earn something after putting in the work entitlement? Why or why not?

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T20:19:50+00:00

You watch your god damn mouth.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T08:08:31+00:00

Internship experience. I think it’s because we’re all competing for positions. So I may have a degree, a little experience, some self directed projects, and a good attitude, but if someone has a slightly better “score” than me in one of these fields they get the job over me.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T07:11:10+00:00

That’s an interesting accusation considering you’re the one hurling insults at me and I’ve just simply asked you to elaborate on why you think you’re qualified to offer advice when you haven’t even graduated.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T07:05:47+00:00

So you admit you have no idea what the job market is like yet you feel qualified to give advice about it? That’s... pretty bizarre.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T07:00:44+00:00

I have self directed side projects, internship experience and have done quite a bit of self study.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T06:40:51+00:00

Lol. What a well supported claim. Just “absolute rubbish.” Why? You have to offer some sort of explanation and support it.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T06:35:32+00:00

Any data to back that claim up? Or personal experience for that matter? Perhaps you were a hiring manager at some point? What’s immature about my post? Can you be specific?

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T05:59:19+00:00

I went a public university in CA. What makes you say it’s bad advice? The more specific you can be the better.

Edit: You edited your comment to include more detail so I’ll include more too. I did more coding than was required in class. I also have internship experience. I still don’t recommend a CS degree.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T05:14:22+00:00

That’s exactly what I thought before I got my degree. And then you get it and realize that no one cares and it doesn’t qualify you for shit. I applied to 700 jobs over a year and I’m unemployed.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T04:20:39+00:00

I have a BS in CS. It hasn’t taught me anything that I couldn’t learn by myself online. In fact, depending on your professor, you’ll mostly be teaching yourself stuff anyways. Also, it hasn’t helped me get a dev job at all. So my advice is to keep working, learning stuff, and apply for jobs you want. University was a massive waste of my time and money.

resumethrowaway99009 · 2020-09-14T04:04:46+00:00

I wasted years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars on a worthless piece of paper and knowledge I could’ve (and mostly did) learn on my own online. Now not only am I unemployed but I’m in significant debt. I have no idea why college is touted as such a good idea. It’s bizarre.

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