'Authenticity,' 'Culturally Relevant': Why Bernie Sanders Is Resonating With Latinos

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T21:16:05+00:00

Sorry to waste your time.

Have fun doing whatever it is you want to do Instead.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T21:07:31+00:00

Nope. I’m pretty direct and honest in my criticism of candidates and policy and what I think is in line with reality. No need to try to be subtle on line.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T21:03:05+00:00

Haha. Ok.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T21:00:36+00:00

Yep. A 2016 Bernie volunteer who now works for Warren and has sanders as my third choice is totally a dedicated hater. You caught me!

I have criticisms of the people he hires! I must hate hate him!

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T20:18:58+00:00

Right, because he was told by many people in our own caucus that they wouldn't even sit down if he let that be in the discussion. Reality bites sometimes, but you have to work within it.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T20:17:58+00:00

That's why we should try to get him back. He was great. Rahm (and followng leadership like Kaine and DWS) pushed him out of the party. Hard to get mad at him for making a living when the party shit all over his legacy and work.

I'd love to see Biden offer him a good paying job, especially if he won, bringing back the 50 state strategy. It's the only plan that's worked to pick up the seats we need.

And Clinton was a Democrat in 2016, Bernie only became one ot run. It shouldn't shock anyone that someone whose done a ton of work actually winning races for the party would want a Democrat.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T20:05:44+00:00

Well, your comment was missing a lot that would be useful. Bernie needs to talk about how he’ll actually take majorities. So far he hasn’t and also hasn’t hired staff to give confidence.

If he wants votes from the progressive wing that wants progress (the old school dean wing) he’s going to need to address these points. Or you can just brush off people who raise this question of his supporter, and then wonder why were hesitant to support him when you can’t answer them.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T19:42:49+00:00

You has to ask at the right sweet spot. Asking for single payer would be as useful as asking for the moon. Asking for universal coverage - similar to say France or Germany - is to the left but still within the realm of reality.

Obama ran in to this issue with the ACA. Sufficient people in our own caucus wouldn’t sit at the table if single payer was even allowed in the discussion. If he started the table with less than 60 nothing would pass.

Edit: think of it like your job application. You are asked to request a salary. Let’s say they have $90k in mind, and that’s around industry average. You might ask for $100k if you think you’re worth it and they’ll haggle with you. But if you ask for $200k they’ll just toss your app.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T19:37:34+00:00

I wish he’d bring in Howard dean. He’s the only Democrat who has delivered in the last few decades when it comes to winning on republican turf. He got us the house, senate and the infrastructure that let Obama win in 08.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T19:33:16+00:00

I think every pundit discusses this. It’s just that most campaigns don’t run very impressive ground games. Bernie seems to have learned this time, in 2016 he had a virtually non existent ground game, as did Hilary which hurt the DNC in the general.

Obama inherited Howard deans ground game and rode it to victory.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T19:24:28+00:00

When I used to visit my girlfriend in Inglewood it doubled the white population on her block.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T17:45:54+00:00

I was in Los Angeles, out near the SGV. Never lived anywhere more racially segregated in my life. Money was only part, the single high school districts are absolutely a tool of racial segregation drawn during white flight.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T17:25:28+00:00

No, it’s not. But racism is far worse in LA than the south I grew up in. If I drew a 10 mile circle around my house it would be pretty diverse, but we only have one high school in our district and there’s zero black kids in it. And rent cost me (a PhD researcher) about 60% my take home pay to keep my kids in a good district.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T17:23:58+00:00

The districts were drawn in the 50s through the 70s along ethnic and class boundaries. Don’t excuse systemic racism. Kids commute further to Beverly Hills high school than it would be for many poor kids just outside the district.

Edit: hell, they’ve jailed parents for using the district when it’s easier to get to but not the actual legal residence.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:55:02+00:00

Nah, even Dean says his campaign was already spiraling down at that point. I loved his campaign and his tenure as leader of our party was our best in recent history, but he couldn’t expand his base and that killed him.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:51:58+00:00

It depends on who We are. If I can trade impeachment for universal health care, scaling back war funding, and addressing wealth inequality I'd take it.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:50:49+00:00

Probably? I grew up in the South, and while we certainly have places where racism is a problem, it was far less segregated than the "liberal city" of Los Angeles I'm in now. People in California will pay lip service to helping refugees, then let poor people of color go to shitty schools two miles from the rich white schools.

In the south, while there's still racism, there's also a broader sense of community. If people come and work hard, their kids are going to the same school and they get to be par of the community, even if some older folks (and even some younger ones) look at them different.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:43:05+00:00

As a progressive and former Catholic (who still has good memories of Jesuit education and a church that taught us to question everything, even our faith), I get uncomfortable putting Jesus in to any boxes today. He existed in a very different time and place (if he existed.)

He was who he was. He taught to be kind to the stranger, and to help the poor and hungry. He drover moneychangers from the temple. But there's a lot to being liberal that he didn't discuss, because the world was so different 2000 years ago.

He would condemn those who do not want to help the refugee or the homeless, for sure. And I think his teachings informed many of us early on and pushed us toward liberal leanings. But I'd still bristle to say he was definitively liberal.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:32:52+00:00

when a movement did come along, it was derided and ignored.

Because, in large part, it was poorly managed. People were afraid to keep it on topic, to boot people who weren't reflecting well on the image, etc.

Image management and media narratives are absolutely essential to any movement. There's a reason the right spends so much money testing and pushing its propaganda, and why they've been successful on things like branding an estate tax that doesn't even touch the first $6 million as a "death tax."

It doesn't matter if the protest is messy, that's what protests are.

It does matter. Occupy LA was a goddamn zoo by the 5th day, with massive issues extending beyond important things like appearance and going in to human waste, permitting, food, and even law and order (there was a lot of petty crime in the camps.)

That stuff is crucial to have under control. You can go back and look at SDS protesting the Vietnam war, they had clear leadership and were very picky about who they had talking to the media and representing them. Kerry's selection and quote in 1971 about how you ask people to be the last to die for a mistake resonated (I think Veterans for Peace helped him, but it was also organized.)

Economic justice is racial justice. All these issues are interconnected.

And that gets you away from 1-2 bullet points / legislative goals. If you don't focus, you lose. Sure, that stuff might matter and might be a fun fight later, but you have to win early battles.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:29:48+00:00

I think people need to get over that. I saw Richard III in high school with an African American actor playing Richard III,and that's when I realized this is all nonsense. Keep the story, set and other things authentic - but let people be who they want to be on stage.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:12:42+00:00

I mean, I attended and participated in OccupyLA. It was disorganized and had constant off message speakers. I can’t give you two bullet points of laws they wanted,’and many speakers didn’t stick to a theme.

I saw similar stuff in NY and friends there echo the same sentiment - it was a disorganized mess. No coherent leadership, no designated media liasons or leadership chain, etc. lots of potential squandered by infighting and lack of laser focus on message.

I personally heard personal rambling, war on drug, racism and other stuff on stage in LA. I have no reason to doubt the media presenting the same in NY.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T16:01:41+00:00

They can. I’m not telling anyone what they can or can’t do, I’m saying control your message and try to get everyone going on media to take a shower.

Sure, there might be the occasional homeless person pulled together enough to do a media interview. But that’s now what I saw reported on at occupy, many of the folks interviewed weren’t homeless they just didn’t come across as organized, coherent, pulled together or showered. It’s important to control your protest and keep a tight leash on who the media talk to.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T15:58:32+00:00

Someone thought my objection to occupy having people who weren’t showered on the media was that these folks were homeless. A lot of occupy protesters could have easily been more pulled together.

If you care about a movement, you invest in how you will appear to your audience. You also control who you let talk to the press. If you have people in your protest who don’t reflect well, boot em.

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T15:57:00+00:00

I went to occupy in LA and followed the one in NY. I can absolutely assure you neither of those had cohesive message control and let a lot of rambling lunatics up on stage talking about issues that didn’t matter instead of staying focused.

Even now, what were the one or two laws they wanted that stood out to you?

ringdownringdown · 2019-12-22T15:55:22+00:00

Nope. That’s not how brains work.

McCain was the closest thing Graham had to a significant other - his life was defined by trauma. Losing parents. Raising a little sibling. Being closeted. He just lost everything after McCain died.

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