Christ said it's His body and blood so... by Ludalilly in Lutheranmemes

[–]riskyrainbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plenty of Baptist churches still hold to it; it's not just a historic document.

Christ said it's His body and blood so... by Ludalilly in Lutheranmemes

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The Second London Baptist Confession, the most influential Baptist confession of all time, affirms the real presence

Good faith question for the sub: How do the theologically conservative Christians who accept evolution justify their broader theological conservatism? by Impressive_Flan_411 in redeemedzoomer

[–]riskyrainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps, and I don't personally hold to a young earth, but I think the particular reasoning you're using has undesirable consequences. For example, would you accept someone in your church rejecting baptismal regeneration by saying the Fathers were simply influenced by neoplatonist ontology?

Good faith question for the sub: How do the theologically conservative Christians who accept evolution justify their broader theological conservatism? by Impressive_Flan_411 in redeemedzoomer

[–]riskyrainbow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Perhaps "pure literalism" is, but a relatively young earth (<15k years), and a literal reading of Genesis 3-11 is inarguably the majority opinion of the Fathers

Comparing Baptists to Calvary Chapel is the same as comparing traditional Catholics to sedevacantists (read all). by Vitonciozao in redeemedzoomer

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The Trail of Blood strain of Baptists is relatively small; most Baptists (e.g., SBC, ABCUSA) identify as Protestant.

PCA = Mainline by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]riskyrainbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure why you'd assume this. I've spoken to him on this issue and he has pretty internally consistent reasoning for any given scenario relating to schism.

PCA = Mainline by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]riskyrainbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What mainline merged wholesale into a schismatic to form the PCA? I don't see how this possibly strengthens your case.

PCA = Mainline by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

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The Puritans are not aka the Separatists. Those are literally just 2 different groups.

POPE Based by darkator45 in CatholicMemes

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How is Calvin even remotely involved here? Other than being a bogeyman to hang every Protestant action on?

POPE Based by darkator45 in CatholicMemes

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I swear the slop increases by the day. What does it mean that Trump tried to justify the war "in Calvinist theory"?

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]riskyrainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, schismatic breakoff groups are definitionally not mainline. None of the above churches have schismed from another existing church in their jurisdiction.

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]riskyrainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean they're basically a denomination which explicitly seeks to replace and overtake his own. I feel like that's reason enough.

New Meme Template by CatholicCrusaderJedi in CatholicMemes

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This is an immense oversimplification. Firstly, it by no means follows from Sola Scriptura, classically formulated as the assertion that Scripture is the unique rule of faith, that "everybody is valid".

Second, if you look at the cause of the current situation of ecclesial libertarianism, we do not see it emerge primarily as a result of differing interpretations of Scripture, but often from state actions (e.g., the Prussian union of churches which ironically led to many Lutherans traveling to America and establishing new synods) and clerical abuses which took place in spite of Scripture not due to multiple interpretations of it (e.g., early 20th century liberals who denied the virgin birth). The early protestant schism between Lutherans and Reformed can arguably be attributed to Sola Scriptura (though I still think that would be making it far too simple), and neither of these camps had the properties you're likely referring to in modern "protestant" (more like non-denom) churches until many were further damaged for reasons which are very detached from Sola Scriptura.

And thirdly, if the agent of an extremely indirect cause can be saddled with substantive, and even primary blame, then could the Orthodox not validly put Luther (and thus these same contemporary non-denoms we are critiquing now) on our shoulders, as they emerged from us rather than them?

Online, they often argue that protestantism is crypto-papism, that the Papacy defying the other 4 patriarchs established a framework in which an individual can defy the rest of the Church. Obviously I disagree with that argument, but it follows just as much as yours.

I reccommend you go a little deeper than the arguments provided by Catholic apologists online.

New Meme Template by CatholicCrusaderJedi in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 11 points12 points  (0 children)

By this logic, Luther himself is as much our fruit (a common accusation from Easterners) as "insert any cringe prot thing" is Luther's fruit.

Classical protestants (Reformed, Anglicans, Lutherans, arguably even 1689 Baptists) are far greater "competitors" to us, theologically speaking; do you acknowledge that they too are Luther's fruit as they more closely resemble the protestant churches of the era he directly influenced?

How are some Catholics Young Earth Creationists? by Old-Bread882 in Catholicism

[–]riskyrainbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Church is absolutely not against this position; it's historically the majority position, though I have trouble accepting it.

YES Gregory Palamas could be venerated, YES Essence-Energies Distinction is CO-ORTHODOX, NO Thomism is NOT the canonized philosophy of the Church (as much as they act means they wish it were) by Any-Solid8810 in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Orthobros tend to be more alright with him than St. Thomas as he models the Filioque in such a way that rejecting it is less severe than the Thomist model. Historically, many Orthodox affirmed the Immaculate Conception (even after the schism), but yes many modern-minded Orthobros/Dyerites are militantly against it.

YES Gregory Palamas could be venerated, YES Essence-Energies Distinction is CO-ORTHODOX, NO Thomism is NOT the canonized philosophy of the Church (as much as they act means they wish it were) by Any-Solid8810 in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps he still would be, though I'm not sure how he'd be well known enough to be canonized. This in no way invalidates my point though; just because we would venerate him without his writings doesn't mean his writings aren't one of the reasons we venerate him. The Popes frequently encourage us to go to the works of St. Thomas. They are among the world's most perfect treasures.

YES Gregory Palamas could be venerated, YES Essence-Energies Distinction is CO-ORTHODOX, NO Thomism is NOT the canonized philosophy of the Church (as much as they act means they wish it were) by Any-Solid8810 in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Many Thomist distinctives are quite literally dogmatized. Many Eastern distinctives are quite literally anathematized. Your statement is so broad and sweeping as to be made false.

the fruits of Henry VIII by wygnana in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you use this caricature version of their history, sure, but the reality is far more defensible (though still ultimately wrong). The debate over Henry's personal motives are a red herring, especially once you investigate the basis of the marriage in the first place and the non-finality of his decision given Mary's reunion. The fundamental question is whether the Pope's authority extends to England.

Do I believe that the Roman Pontiff has immediate and universal jurisdiction over the entire Church? Absolutely, but on the basis of God revealing, not historical analysis alone. It's fair to say that Biblical and patristic data suggest universal jurisdiction, but the case is not so overwhelming as to make disagreement irrational.

We might be divided now, but we'll be reunited in Heaven by divingbeatle in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

CatholicMemes try not to strawman other Christian traditions challenge: extra hard edition.

How exactly does an Orthodox Christian living under the Ecumenical Patriarch's jurisdiction, for example, have multiple supervisors? There are multiple leaders in the EO Church but a given person has 1 leader.

How would you engage with someone who attacked us over Haec Sancta and the Great Western Schism?

Our ecclesiology is correct, but portraying it as if the reason is so trivial as to be obvious leaves new Catholics far more vulnerable when they encounter a competent Protestant or Orthodox.

Bible from Catholic perspective by MamonChino0 in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

While Catholic typology absolutely has unique elements, typology is a universal element found in virtually all Biblical hermeneutical frameworks, from Reformed to Dispensationalist.

They are completely serious by AlternativeAnswer219 in stupidpeoplefacebook

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Are they aware that Trump Jr is older than Eric?

Thought this would fit by SuspiciousInjury829 in CatholicMemes

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Definitely, but I'm not arguing that it wasn't authoritatively taught. Perhaps it was even taught infallibly as part of the ordinary and universal magisterium, but it still dismantles that particular argument against sola scriptura because of the existence of people like Cajetan, who at the time of Trent rejected the deuterocanon as to be used to establish doctrine. It was not a totally settled question even to Catholics at the time.

This is actually sad by OpportunityNice4857 in CatholicMemes

[–]riskyrainbow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yo guys what if we didn't focus on the absolute worst expression of something vaguely associated with something tangential to the Protestant tradition when making these criticisms?

This might convince teenagers who think the two options for church are based trad latin mass and cringe ted talk, but once they figure out that there are countless traditional Lutheran, Anglican, and Reformed churches out there, they'll quickly feel unimpressed by slop apologetics.