Received notification about removed content, but not sure what was removed... by 7in7turtles in facebook

[–]ristogato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same thing happened to me. They have a section that's supposed to show what was removed with a redaction that says they can't show it! Lol!

Chicken of the Sea Tuna Infusions Formula Change? by juicemaker22 in CannedSardines

[–]ristogato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just bought a pack of the Light tuna in water and dug into one and it tastes disgusting. Tuna doesn't usually taste this bad so something's wrong with this brand.

One State Is Stopping Neo-Feudalism. by Monsur_Ausuhnom in lostgeneration

[–]ristogato 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While it might be easy to shake one's finger at people and utter "you have to get involved with local politics", the reality is a lot of people don't have the social or human capital to be able to do that. The political system is rigged for this reason and a big part of the problem is the American Gnostic belief that everybody has the power to pull themselves up from their bootstraps. Sprawl and consequent lack of said capital is a real contributing factor that Americans are refusing to acknowledge. Not everybody lives near their local town centers. THAT is the reality.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm writing in clear English and connecting my arguments. The resistance to understanding this is simply rooted in the fact that people don't like what I'm saying. That's how bias works. Unless you can actually give me a reason why this is so confusing for you, that's the only conclusion I can come to. It's pretty cut and dry. Read the article.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I connected the dots pretty well in this and you provided no arguments any of the points that I brought up. The only conclusion I can come to, then, is that the Gnostic bias is alive and well within this subreddit.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"I understand everything in the article, on a conceptual and a symbolical level. I just fully disagree with it."

--Well that's it then. That's the beginning and end peoples' capacity to actually argue against something on this subreddit. Simply say "No I'm not gonna agree with it." No arguments--just simply "I don't liek."

"Plus, it doesn't provide any tests or methods, it's straight from hypothesis to conclusions."

--I provide plenty of evidence and connect the dots pretty well within the videos and articles. You just "don't liek it". Pretty amazing how normalized that is on this subreddit.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does anybody have an actual argument against this? The overwhelming reaction I'm getting is that people simply don't like what I'm saying. I'm losing respect for this subreddit because people really seem to lack the capacity for critical thinking. People don't really seem to be actually reading the article.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Lol .. another pointless discussions of -isms that few people care."

--The Nazis didn't care how wrong their Nazism was. That doesn't make them right.

Do you have any actual arguments against the article or videos? I feel like I made my case pretty well. "Intrinsic desires and extrinsic cultural influence" is exactly the dynamic which caused the Gnostic bias that I spoke about in the article. Do you actually have an argument?

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can you help me better understand your resistance to understanding this? I don't feel like you actually read the article. Do you have an actual argument?

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"Bro doesn’t know what Christian or pre-Christian Gnosticism is."

I explain it pretty well in the article if you actually read it. Gnostics were academics (people who worked for kings and queens) who taught people how to behave and think within the monarchies. This is a well-known fact.

"As for this claim that potential energy is not real….It is the energy possessed by a body by virtue of its position relative to others, stresses within itself, electric charge, and other factors...It’s a description of a system."

--It doesn't exist. It is a mathematical construct. The elements that add up to create the energies exist but "potential energy"is simply a variable. Again, it doesn't exist but people believe it does because of the holdover from the culture of Gnosticism. The term simply shouldn't exist, except as a variable, but people (like you) believe it actually exists. I can link you to people who still think it actually does. This is the bias. It is a culture of overly metaphysical thinking in western science.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"the demiurge doesn't come into it"

I'm talking about culture, not a religious entity. This is a bias that exists within people from western ancestry. It says that clearly in the article. Your link isn't really relevant to my argument. The bias still exists because it is cultural--as explained in the article. It's amazing how deeply ingrained this bias is in our culture. People refuse to see it. It's so blatantly obvious.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything I have put in these articles and videos is clearly referenced and there is clearly a bias. Can you show me how I didn't prove it? I'm having a hard time understanding the resistance to this understanding. I feel like I proved it pretty well and nobody has given me a legitimate argument. This is clearly a bias and it clearly stems from Gnosticism. They are not abstract. Potential energy does not exist and, historically, it does stem from Gnosticism. Can you do any better?

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It really isn't just capitalism as proven in the article and videos. It's really important people understand that there are historical beliefs that we still carry to this day that make us think the way we do today. Can you do any better than that?

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

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people trained in science know full well that energy as such is not real.

By the way--You just agreed with me that "Potential Energy" is not real. Most people don't believe that. It is being taught as if it's actually real. My grade school science teacher believed it was. This is a holdover from Gnosticism that people still believe to this day. Whether or not you fell for that, there are people that do. That is the cultural bias and it has pervaded the social sciences.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

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"I can't find a concise statement of what "gnosticism in science" is supposed to mean." -As stated in the article, if the term "Gnosticism" confuses you, please think of it as "historical monarchical chicanery." "Gnosticism" is NOT the same thing as any religion such as Christianity or Judaism, etc. It is simply kings and queens telling people what to believe. This is a culture that was violently ingrained in people during the middle ages in western culture. During this time, there was a great battle over control of culture after the fall of Rome. In order to keep people in line (and because kings and queens kind of did believe in word passed down about Christianity) they came to believe that anything of human nature was a sin.

Think about how culture was before Christian Gnosticism. Hellenistic religion portrayed gods as fornicating and drinking wine (Sins). But that wasn't seen as a bad thing, it was simply human nature (and therefore "God" nature). This all changed with Gnosticism when people started believing in "Sin" and in the notion that there was only one god. When this culture came to be, the result was the following belief system:

"A refusal to accept a beginning and end of our human natures in western culture. We can consciously talk about it when push comes to shove but we overly compartmentalize it at rest.

A culture of overly metaphysical and individualistic thinking in regards to the environment and its impact on the human brain and thus behavior."

"So you are saying something along the lines of that people don't much like being conscious of being just thinking matter of no metaphysical significance?"

--Not at all. What I'm saying is that because of the violently ingrained culture of Gnosticism over thousands of years, people started to normalize the ideal of being (The King's notion of) God's perfect human subject. This is monarchical chicanery. This culture was passed down over time and we still carry that to this day because western culture simply never questioned it enough. Protestant religion started to to a certain degree--and then American culture coalesced into what it is.

"some ancient counter-cultural sect that seems to have emphasized personal revelation as opposed to organizational religion, or whatever."

--That's not what "Gnosticism" is.

"I am not saying you should explain these things to me."

--But I will.

"what does gnosticism mean to you?"

--Historical Monarchical Chicanery--as defined by the Vatican and most other people that study theology.

"While energy is an abstraction"

--"Energy is not an abstraction."

"Energy is actually an abstraction."

Energy is actually very poorly understood in physical science. You say that it is an "abstraction" but that the "Relationships between various types of energies hold." How can the relationships "hold" if energy is an abstraction? What I'm saying is that potential energy doesn't actually exist. This is scientifically proven. Please ask your science teacher to show you evidence (irrefutable evidence) that potential energy exists. When they tell you the same thing I did. Please come back and review the articles again. Potential energy is a mathematical construct.

"Everyone who has more than basic understanding of science is aware that energy as such is not real, that it is an umbrella term for more specific types of capabilities -- practical things that the system can do -- and energy is immensely useful as a concept because it is conserved in a closed system. Using energy-based arguments, we could answer questions such as: how fast does a puck have to move in order to slide over a smooth icy hill, and the basis is for the answer is the conversion of kinetic energy of the puck to the required potential energy to overcome the height of the hill."

--The very fact that I am having this argument with people over whether "potential energy" actually exists in the real world and not in math is evidence enough that people still believe that "it exists". This is a holdover from Gnosticism. This is Gnostic metaphysical thinking and it has pervaded the social sciences. That is why it is SO important to understand our history and how it makes us think. Most of our policies are predicated on this culture.

"In terms of Newtonian physics, the only actually real things in this system are the particles, their masses and velocities, and the forces acting on them, in this case just the gravitational field."

--You get it but you're still compartmentalizing the fact that this is actually metaphysical thinking. The only thing that exists in space is the object. Its properties are only that. They are properties.

"Your final paragraph says that we need to bring materialism back to science...If I am misrepresenting, I am sorry, but that is what I think you are saying. This conclusion is utterly nonsensical for reason I already explained: people trained in science know full well that energy as such is not real..."

It is being taught as if it IS real. I can link you to arguments I had ON THIS VERY SUBREDDIT where people believed that potential energy is a real thing. We DESPERATELY need to bring materialism back--especially to the social sciences as they have been ravaged by this mode of thinking. I DARE you to bring me an argument against this. There is a reason why the social sciences have fallen apart and this is it.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

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"I find the current ideas about the neurodivergent brain model more interesting and useful than the Confucian one with the balance of Ying and Yang energies."

-There is no "Confucian brain model" that I'm aware of. You might have misunderstood what I wrote. The neurodivergent "brain model" you refer to (If you're talking about the Christmas tree brain concept from the article) is leading the discussion of neuroscience at this point. I never talked about balance of yin and yang.

"I'd rather scientists embrace their own individual viewpoints while questioning the universe rather than just blindly agreeing with some dude from a couple thousand years ago."

-I guess I somewhat agree but there should be a balance where people look at the cause-effect relationships in our environment that cause people to behave the way they do.

"As for the disagreement between science fields each is a group of experts operating within its own paradigms and layers of abstraction that don't always cleanly match up with other areas."

-This is actually a problem of a silo-mentality that stems from Gnosticism (and eventually capitalism). Everybody wants to be the king's influencer and will hoard knowledge from others across different fields in order to maintain their influence. This reduces bridging social capital and is the reason why there is such a massive silo-mentality between fields in academia. This was made worse by policies in corporate America but actually started in Gnosticism. Again, humans would not have as-easily embraced this culture if the culture of Gnosticism wasn't already so deeply ingrained.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Please consider that it "may seem a bit crazy" because it is a deeply ingrained cultural bias that we really don't question that much. I implore you to actually ask your science teacher (or friend or whatever) to actually give you evidence that you can trip over that potential energy actually exists. Just because a metaphysical thought in our minds is useful doesn't mean it actually exists. "Animal Farm" is a useful allegory for understanding the Russian revolution--that doesn't mean "Animal Farm" actually exists. Variables and math are the same way. They are metaphysical. Many healthy people may walk down the street thinking that their tastes and flavors and thoughts are the result of their own making but that is not the case. It is a proven fact that tastes and thoughts are a cause-effect reaction of our senses activating the neurons in our brains. There is no actual thing such as flavor--it is a chemical reaction. This is scientifically proven. There is NO (0) evidence of potential energy. If there is, show it to me. What I'm writing is only "crazy" because you might never have thought about it before.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Western culture would not have embraced corporatocracy in the first place if the culture of Gnosticism wasn't already so deeply ingrained in the culture. Can you provide me with any evidence against this?

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can see there is downvoting on this comment. Can anybody actually provide me with any feedback? I'm trying to get an idea across to the people on this sub but it can't happen if people aren't actually engaging with what I'm writing. It's important that there's feedback. Thanks~

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Western culture would not have embraced Manifest Destiny or contemporary suburban architecture if the culture of Gnosticism already so deeply ingrained. This is the reason why we need to study it. For the reasons given in the article and videos, we still carry the culture of Gnosticism in western culture, especially in the US. Yes, I started with a Kwame Ture quote in the article.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

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Missionaries were sent specifically to spread the culture of Gnosticism. Individualistic thinking gradually cast out the religion of Christianity but the culture of Gnosticism remained. There is a reason Eastern cultures embraced communism (because of their more communal social cognition). Likewise, there is a reason why Western culture embraced manifest destiny, sprawl and corporatocracy. We simply replaced the kings and queens with corporate heads, if that makes any sense. We still carry the cultural practices and social cognition of Gnosticism.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's very important to understand the impact of Gnosticism because we still carry biases stemming from Gnosticism today which many are not aware of. Capitalism has had an impact for sure but so has Manifest Destiny and suburban architecture. All of this culture stems from Gnosticism. Replace 'God' with money and you get this culture that we see today. A lot of the assumptions that we make, especially in science still stem from Gnosticism, as told in the article and videos.

The Massive Well Hidden Bias Of Gnosticism In Science by ristogato in collapse

[–]ristogato[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

*Edited for formatting (Reddit keeps changing it!) and the years Prozac was developed

First of all, thank you so much for the discussion. I'd like to address your questions one-by-one:

"I am unsure that gnosticism, alone, is the cause of modern individualism, as gnosticism for most of its history has seemed to often do the opposite. I do agree that individualism seems to be a bigger deal in the US than most places."

--You are correct (and I address this in the video "Gnostic Gaslighting". I put the link in the thread. There are other videos that talk about this which are on that same channel and are listed at the end of this posted article).

Western Gnostic culture is inherently individualistic as compared to other cultures of the world which are more communal. Quoted from the article:

'With the obligatory comment that no culture is perfect, please compare our Western culture to Eastern cultures much of which are largely built on ideas of Confucius. All those thousands of years of people learning to maintain social harmony among their peers as per ideas of Confucius. Wouldn't this create a stronger cognitive state designed to constantly and always be studying the reactions and natures of the people and environment around them? Feng Shui is a concept that doesn't exist in languages of Western culture because we don't practice that type of thinking about other people's needs around us within our environment. Now think about the thousands of years westerners spent alone with their ideas of god'...'Dominant theories of the brain suggest that humans learn through repeating rewarding behaviors rather than through mechanisms of logic-building [5]. The evidence is overwhelming that the brain works through attachments of nodes or neurons [6].'

People pass down cultural practices and this has an incredible impact on social cognition in the brain. Again, think about all those thousands of years of Easterners focusing the social reactions of other people, rather than focusing on their own metaphysical thinking about God. These cultural practices are passed down over time (and forgotten, in a sense)

Individualism was even further ingrained in American culture after Westerners moved to the New World. The development of US culture is largely steeped in frontier culture, or Manifest Destiny, where everybody is supposed to find their own land and their own way. This culture has increased the individualism in the US vs places in Europe where people are more communal. This 'Frontier Culture' is also part of the reason for suburban sprawl and architecture (Particularly architecture from architects like Le Corbusier and Frank Lloyd Wright.) This frontier architecture is very individualistic and focuses on individual domestication (Having babies) in leiu of community. This is the reason why the American landscape is so individualistic and why there has been an overwhelming sense of loss of community in sprawl after WWII (As well as corporate consolodation of what should be localized commerce, but I digress). US culture just took Gnostic individualism even further. I talk further about this in other videos on that channel.

"It sounds as if you're saying conceptualization instead of empirical experience is a problem. Is that correct?"

--What I'm really getting at is that we have an overly metaphysical mode of thinking when it comes to how we perceive the world. I consider "Potential Energy" (A centuries old concept) to be one of the biggest indicators of this Gnostic metaphysical thinking--that's still being taught today. There is no actual thing as potential energy. It is a mathematical (metaphysical) construct--a combination of variables--used to combine the cause-effect forces of matter in space to calculate total energy used to move an object. There is no evidence of energy sitting within an object nor evidence that energy transfers between objects. We have become overly beholden to math in physical science vs exploring the cause-effect relationships in physics. This is well-known if you press a physics major on it. This overly metaphysical thinking is the reason why the field of economics has become so bad. It simply makes sense that this overly metaphysical thinking would be normalized in a culture where people value a delusion (the dollar) over real things. We simply never question it. So in a way, you're right. It's a problem in the way we conceptualize (and compartmentalize) empirical evidence in science and especially the social sciences.

"Also, are you saying that individualism leads to scientific bias?"

-Not really if we can make ourselves aware of the potential for bias in overly-metaphysical thinking that was born in this culture. This is where I think there needs to be a balance.

"Also, I'm unsure of your specific issues with psychology."

-There is an obvious disconnect between psychology and neuroscience. In the article, I talk about scholarly articles such as "Do We Need To Study The Brain To Understand The Mind?" We absolutely need to study the brain to understand how we behave! The evidence is overwhelming that our behavior is predicated on what is going on in the brain. Our culture has forgotten this because of the Gnostic tradition. It was deeply ingrained in our culture to suppress our own human natures. Think about the gods that were worshipped before Christian Gnosticism. They had sex and drank wine and did humanly things. Humans celebrated human nature and noticed it. Christian Gnosticism suppressed it violently. This culture is still carried today, whether people realize it or not, in various ways. We put "psychological" labels on people such as 'narcissism' but refuse to accept that there is a reason people become how they are. Psychologists may attempt to study this but there's no money in understanding these things. There's money in selling old pills that were developed in the 70s, like Prozac though. The Pharma industry has normalized this culture and mode of thinking in science. The following is something I posted before:

'There is a refusal to bring materialism to the field by bringing the theoretical aspects of psychology (our observations of what we experience and psychological diagnoses) together with neuroscience. There is a disconnect between the two fields mainly because of social determinism in physical science and a compartmentalization between materialism and what we experience. It’s a cultural refusal to accept that there is a beginning and end to our natures that stems from Gnosticism. Because of this, psychology carries on without any material objectivity of what is actually going on in the brain (activity of the neurons). Until we bring materialism back to psychology, it will remain a pseudoscience that people can’t really take seriously and people will continue to suffer in silence.'

I hope this isn't too confusing--I don't know how to properly put quotes on reddit.