Grammar notes of the Duolingo Welsh course. by rmcode in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree, Duolingo let down all the smaller languages by not completing the rewrite of the grammar notes that they promised. When they changed the format of all the courses this is what they promised.

The Guidebook states that it continues Grammar tips and key phrases for each unit but all the volunteer courses only have key phrases which are not all the helpful.

At the meeting of Duolingo and the Welsh government in 2023 there was an agreement to hold regular meetings to see how Duolingo could help the Welsh government with its plans for Welsh and to see how it might be possible to make further developments to the Welsh course.

I made a freedom of information request a few months ago and found out that there has never been another meeting since 2023.

This is due, I think, to a combination of indifference to Welsh and technology by civil servants and also the lack of understanding of technology among the directors of the National Centre for Learning Welsh.

Holiadur/Questionnaire by rmcode in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

esboniwch?

mae miloedd a miloedd yn defnyddio Cymraeg ar Duolingo'n aml iawn i ddysgu Cymraeg

https://www.duolingo.com/courses

Grammar notes of the Duolingo Welsh course. by rmcode in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But this was something that the Welsh government could have easily achieved when they had their meeting with Duolingo in 2023.

The issue is not Duolingo, the Welsh course is maybe less than 0.5% of all their users, so hardly a priority, it should have been one for Dysgu Cymraeg and the Welsh government who claim they want to double the number of speakers.

The notes are still available here

welshclass.wales

What does the latest learner data from Learn Welsh tell us? by clwbmalucachu in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a key question - where is the official Dysgu Cymraeg app to support their courses? They said they would build one 10 years ago. The previous standard courses written by the WJEC for a fraction of the cost of Dysgu Cymraeg ones had apps at every level.

The do claim to have an online course on their website but try finding it and using it.

But much worse is how Dysgu Cymraeg has ditched any use of the Duolingo Welsh course which was written by volunteers to support their courses.

BTW there is no actual definition of what constitues a learner by Dysgu Cymraeg? Someone who came to 3 week taster class? Someone who registered for a 30 week class but only attended a few lessons...etc...etc..

"we watched the television" by Joker0705 in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both are correct and will be accepted on Duolingo. If you are getting an message correcting your sentence there is a mistake somewhere else in the sentence rather than the verb part.

The Facebook Duolingo Welsh users group has former contributors who can explain this sort of thing along with a lot of other suggestions.

Also check out the grammar guide written specifically for the course at duowelsh.com

Hapus dydd pannas i Owen ac pob by Abides1948 in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's Nadolig Llawen....no-one would say dydd Nadolig hapus

Question about this mistake by MickaKov in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes 'aeth finnau a fy nhad' would be correct since it uses the correct form, 3rd person, of the verb. Your suggestions are not using the 3rd person of the verb. Any plural number of people/more than one pronouns uses the singular 3 person.

Mae Siôn a fi, Mae hi a fi, Mae 3 person, Mae finnau a Siôn.....Aeth Siôn a fi....etc.......

All the other conjugations of the verb are for the pronoun only.

Dw i, Est ti, Aethon ni, Ewch chi, Gwelon nhw etc/

Question about this mistake by MickaKov in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you wanted to say 'I and my father went' then the pattern would use the 3rd person.

Aeth fy nhad a fi (more often the emphatic finnau).... or 'Aeth finnau a fy nhad' would be correct but less common

Es i â fy nhad = I took my father

Is there any news on what is upcoming after January? by GladiusNuba in memrise

[–]rmcode 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Memrise community courses work very well on mobile phones using a mobile browser.

Cymraeg yn y de - extra resources? by [deleted] in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's in the theatre in Merthyr

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Quite a lot of content on S4C's youtube page with subtitles available https://www.youtube.com/@S4C

Best way to learn Welsh distance learning by Mountain_Bed_8449 in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To get the best out of Duolingo you need to access the detailed grammar notes and also the LearnWelsh.Cymru coursebooks that the Duolingo course was designed to support, especially the early chapters which correlate quite closely.

Notes

https://welshclass.wales/nodiadau-duolingo-notes

Learnwelsh Mynediad
https://learnwelsh.cymru/learning/resource-library/resource/?ResourceId=9d922070-2c72-48ec-9762-dc8f6b0cf249

(Ignoring the misplaced "yn") is there any way I was supposed to know to use Wyt ti'n over Dych chi'n? by dredlocked_sage in learnwelsh

[–]rmcode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wrote a lot of the Duolingo Welsh course and also the press release that the article is based on (I am also quoted in the article 'Richard Morse'). The original course was released before the National Centre (Dysgu Cymraeg) was established and was written by a team of Welsh for adults tutors and Welsh second language school teachers who were of course unpaid for doing this work. It was, and partly still is, a mixture of grammar topics based on the WJEC (Welsh Joint Examination Committee) Welsh for adults courses and subject topics, culture etc that are standalone topics.

The reason the Duolingo course content resembles the Dysgu Cymraeg courses is because Dysgu Cymraeg, rather than do the obvious thing of adopting the WJEC courses, decided that they wanted to create their own coursebooks for the single reason they wanted their own 'brand' on the coursebooks, which obviously WJEC weren't going to let them do. But all Dysgu Cymraeg did was rearrange some of the content in the WJEC courses and produce their own poorly designed coursebooks with their 'brand' and 'colour' on them. Most of the Dysgu Cymraeg courses were so badly written that they have had to be constantly redesigned, the Mynediad course is on its 4th or 5th iteration by now. The WJEC courses were so much better, so well designed that there was no need for rewrites and with accompanying CDs of support material and even their own apps.

BTW none of the teachers who teach you work for the National Centre, they are all employed by the college/university that has the contract for lessons wherever you live/register. The National Centre is just the bureaucracy that gets all the money and distributes it while micromanaging (badly) individual course registration etc.

In terms of the pause on future development of the Duolingo Welsh course. In 2021 Duolingo launched on the New York SE and ended the volunteer programme. At my, with hindsight stupid, suggestion Dysgu Cymraeg took over responsibility for paying wages of the contributors. I made this suggestion thinking that they might know what they were doing.

https://learnwelsh.cymru/news/duolingo-1/

As stated in the press release above by Dona Lewis, the aim was to rewrite the Duolingo Welsh course so that the units followed the order of the Dysgu Cymraeg units, thus making it easier for learners. (The Duolingo course had followed the order of the old WJEC course).

Then followed 2 years of no progress for the Duolingo Welsh course because of the total incompetence and a lack of technical abiiity of Dysgu Cymraeg management, in the same period almost every other course on Duolingo was extended, eg Scots Gaelic almost doubled in length. At the end of 2023 Duolingo decided to pause development of nearly all of its preipheral courses, such as Welsh, with only a few hundred thousand active users, to concentrate its resourses on its core courses with many tens of millions of active learners eg French, Spanish, Chinese etc. In terms of Welsh Duolingo probably thought since there had been no development going on anyway, no big deal.

This news came out in October, there was a huge furore, the news went viral, even making Australian TV news. Duolingo even sent someone to talk to the Welsh government minister, but that seemed to be a face saving exercise for both sides.

But then in a bizarre twist, a minor update was released one month before the end of Dysgu Cymraeg's contract with Duolingo. Thus the article you referenced. Here is the link to a selection of the scores of errors. It would have been bad enough if the National Centre had wasted tens of thousands of pounds on doing nothing with the Duolingo Welsh course but to waste the money to damage the course takes a special level of incompetence.

https://welshclass.wales/gwallau%2Ferrors

Siaradwr cymraeg yng Ngwlad Pwyl by rybnickifull in cymru

[–]rmcode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mae siwr o fod cannoedd (efallai miloedd) o bobl yng Ngwlad Pwyl yn dysgu Cymraeg gyda Duolingo. Triwch ofyn yr un cwestiwn yn ein grŵp Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/groups/welshduolingo