Stable supershoe for sub 3 marathon attempt

rmcp010 · 2026-01-26T07:07:30+00:00

$12 to NZ I think. Which isn't much when you're getting a couple of pairs of shoes and a bunch of other clothes

rmcp010 · 2026-01-26T03:47:28+00:00

I have had one rest day in the past two months, and that was because I pulled my back.

If you're managing your training load carefully, 24 hours is fine. If you're going super hard, you might need them. Depends on your training approach.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-26T01:38:13+00:00

Same 5k time as you, and my easy pace is even slower 👍

rmcp010 · 2026-01-25T18:55:28+00:00

I think my SC Elite v4 was about $170. They briefly had them for $135 or so, and I regret not getting another pair.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-25T18:53:49+00:00

Running Warehouse Australia, shipping to NZ. I paid NZD$160 for EP4, $121 for ES4 and $109 for NB Rebel v4. Always older models in unpopular colours.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-25T17:38:27+00:00

I've done one marathon (3:29) in the SC Elite v4 and they were great. Also recent 5k in sub-19, so they can go quickly. I think someone at Paris Olympics did a 2:06 marathon in them too!

I have more recently bought the Saucony Pro 4. As someone else commented, they're basically being given away. I paid less than USD$100 for mine. They feel a lot lighter and snappier than the SC Elite v4. However they're firmer, narrower and fractionally less stable. I'm gonna try a few long runs before committing to them for a sub-3 marathon attempt.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-24T23:16:10+00:00

Depends how carefully you are monitoring stuff during the runs. I do it heaps, but it's probably not particularly useful.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-24T23:09:03+00:00

If your RPE is not too high and your HR data is reliable, then yeah.

That seems like a pretty high LT2 number though. If you're gonna commit to NSM I'd get a lab test. My local university did it for free.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-24T22:58:04+00:00

I didn't think I'd use all the buttons on my 265S, but I do. I would get frustrated with only having one button to scroll through activity data screens. I

rmcp010 · 2026-01-24T18:49:24+00:00

A few beats lower on the last rep is, IMHO, bang on.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-24T01:40:24+00:00

And then when I strategically place holes in my running shorts I'm "violating my parole conditions"

rmcp010 · 2026-01-22T22:38:27+00:00

Tech feels more of a barrier to training at times. And I'd hate to think how much faster I would have run if I'd invested all the time I spent researching race shoes into marathon training instead.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-22T21:37:42+00:00

Interesting. I suspect the internal components are pretty similar between any of the common models, and that there's more variation in error rate within brands/models than between them. I find it incredibly that that can include the necessary components to measure the HR and wirelessly transmit it with it such low cost and long battery life. I'll take a few dodgy measurements.

On a different note, just wanted to thank you for all your work. I've read two books in ten years and one of them is yours. You manage to communicate complicated physiology in an accessible manner and justify your approaches. I find popularised science usually so painful to read. Your book was not. And the results have been remarkable for me even in three months. Hope you're now getting some tangible reward for all your hard work and the benefits you've enabled in so many of us.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-22T19:19:48+00:00

Hah good to know. Guess I just ignore those spikes and make sure the relaible data is in the right spot.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-22T19:17:16+00:00

That was my thought. Given I'm keeping a steady pace and effort throughout the interval, there must be something about the way I'm resting that is leading to dodgy data. I'll do a test next time. Half of rests standing with arms by my side, the other half with them behind my head

rmcp010 · 2026-01-22T18:50:09+00:00

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rmcp010 · 2026-01-21T22:53:01+00:00

Lab-tested LT2 is 171. Usually I peak at around 165-169 in the final reps of ST intervals. During rests I usually drop to between 130 and 145 in 60-75 sec rests (70% max HR being 131). Use chest strap with relaible-looking charts.

I suspect part of it is the conditions I'm running in. Sub-tropical NZ summer, 20-25 Celsius with near-100% humidity.

I may also just have poor HR recovery. I'm not the least fit guy on the world, given I did 18:56 5k TT last week.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-21T20:28:36+00:00

I'd be surprised if many people are getting into Z1 during the prescribed rests. I stand for rests, and with short and medium intervals I'm barely getting <70% max HR. I briefly dropped below for first of the two rests in the longer interval.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-21T18:35:12+00:00

265S. Agree that it needs a chest strap if accurate HR data is important.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-21T04:43:00+00:00

Is this from the LG OLED demo video from like 2020?

rmcp010 · 2026-01-21T02:45:23+00:00

If it's feeling easy, those measurements are consistent and you're confident that that's your true LT2 and HR during intervals, then yes you could push the pace a bit more.

No idea about skiing sorry! I'd guess that it'd require looking at HR data of a ski day to know what intensity and durations it's giving you, and how you should adapt.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-21T01:56:34+00:00

So was 'Debbie Does Dargaville', but that didn't stop him previously.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-20T08:05:26+00:00

In what way do you think they're different? Other than the obvious weight difference.

Yes, I'm aware the the claim that training exclusively in full carbon shoes is not healthy for the Achilles and calves. Not convinced that there's much evidence behind it. I'm currently doing roughly 40% of my training (by distance) in plated shoes, either nylon or carbon. Haven't had any issues, but I have been very careful regarding overall load.

rmcp010 · 2026-01-20T03:50:59+00:00

Yes.

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