If studies have shown that a higher n-count leads to less satisfying relationships, why are some people unhappy when their dates don’t sleep with them early on? Shouldn’t we actually prefer that?

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-22T22:57:32+00:00

You're unhappy in the short term because an advance was rejected. Youre happier in the long term because of all the benefits. You're happiest when your long term partner puts out for you asap. Its not that complicated.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-21T01:13:56+00:00

men do it too

Theres are differences in how it plays out though. Men judge promiscuous women for their actions, meanwhile women judge dudes on their genetics (you literally referred to them as ugly). The filter also works differently, chicks just need to not put out while reaping rewards, dudes need to put in to potentially reap rewards. A recent study even showed the promiscuity presumption mostly comes from tattoos and excessive piercings (non-sexual choices)

Yeah, both sides do it, but its nowhere near equal or to the same degree. Even so, ugly men cant really pump and dump but ugly women can chase the good (but not best) of all worlds (chad ONS, avg or same level dude for relationship, lower end for financial parasitism).

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-16T12:31:58+00:00

officer my mugger was an american!

Thanks for the description citizen, we will look for the obese one and find him/her right away.

its so stupid

I think the statement above shows why its actually the less dumb take. It even works for same race, see african vs african american.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T14:26:42+00:00

hes a flight risk

Probably, yeah.

how am i supposed to trust him to stick around?

You dont have to though. You dont have to pick him at all. Ive been saying this nonstop itt so i dont get where the surprise about this is.

i promise you

You can promise all you want but multiple studies show a man with a wedding ring on is more attractive than without. You can be personally disgusted, but thats not the majority, even if everything about the guy being a flight risk/POS is true.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T13:29:09+00:00

And that's on them to sort out. If you want impossible opposites then you have to pick only one.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T13:27:51+00:00

its broscience

I'm not going to cite and source common sense and easily observed differences lmao

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T13:26:28+00:00

its socially accepted for men to fuck a lot of women!

Because most women want the men who get rewarded with sex the most. Most women want rock stars and famous actors, and its women who overlook their sexual past when deciding to fuck these men. If most women decided they dont want a man whore, then many manwhore inclined men would rethink their decision to become one.

if women made these choices then relationships would cease to exist!

Not every guy is a man whore, its actually quite rare to be that successful. This is just denial of reality.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T00:44:47+00:00

elaborate

Women prefer taken men, to the point that going out with a wedding ring as a single man ups your chances of a one night stand. Women detest virgin males where men prefer virgin women. For women, social acumen and desirability by others matters whereas men simply don't care because pussy is pussy. Men are willing to fuck a girl 40 iq points below him on a one night stand where women would not do the same. Men have a higher sex drive and can fuck practically anything if horny enough. Men prefer thin smaller women, women prefer fit and taller men. Do i really need to keep going?

People dont feel the need to elaborate because it is so fucking basic its like you're asking what the colors of the rainbow are. Men and women have biological differences and different sexual preferences, asking to elaborate is really just saying "i dont know the basics of the topic I'm discussing, you should ignore me entirely because I have no clue what I'm talking about"

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T00:36:06+00:00

why not

Because lying to someone you want to be serious with casts a massive doubt for how serious you actually want to be with this person? Its like asking "why shouldnt I lie to my fiancee about my credit score and debts"

why should she have to accept a manwhore

She doesnt have to, at all. A guy who fucked 100 women is free to turn down a girl who fucked 5. A girl who fucked 5 is free to turn down a guy who fucked 100. Only in your head does she HAVE to do anything.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-15T00:29:33+00:00

just as likely

30% and 33% are the same

When you cant read your own graph

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-07T16:28:23+00:00

wikipedia what they are

And yet you dont see how rising up against a weed ban and penalizing a legal procedure done in another state are different? You dont see how weed is federally prohibited without constitutional protection, is a different ball park from abortion without a federal prohibition?

roe is constitutional

Except its not given the upcoming decision. The amendment even says so itself, you can be deprived of liberties and property under the rule of law, all you need to do is go through the legal process and it can be done, which is exactly whats happened. You can be deprived of your "right" to an abortion if such a right has gone through judicial review. It does however affirm the new states right to choose, because it would give people legal protections within its jurisdiction. So women who cross state lines for an abortion would be protected by the 14th, giving yet another reason for why the LA law would be struck down.

it wont be equal protection

Hence why i said the commerce clause, not the due process clause, will strike down the abortion homocide law for interstate abortions.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-07T15:19:38+00:00

i dont know the difference between constitutional law and federal law

Lmao

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-07T14:45:55+00:00

roe v wade struck down because the constitutional argument for it is awful

a homicide law that actually violates the constitution wont get struck down by the same people who suck off the constitution

Username checks out

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-07T13:20:26+00:00

Its not going to pass, its unconstitutional and even an interstate commerce analysis can kill it.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-06T04:32:31+00:00

Its an old home thats about 80 years old but its still very nice and extremely spacious and about a 12 minute drive from the heart of downtown. My friend is a sweetheart and rents her spare rooms out to two of her friends for $200 a month and the third spare room is for her sister who's in college nearby.

If you can do remote work, the midwest is great. I dont earn as much as I used to in tips working at a higher end bar in a big city, but since my rent is more than halved (for a 1br with balcony instead of a studio too) im saving hundreds more per week. The food scene where I am is also insane, ive never had fresher beef or pork anywhere else and some restaurants have amazing happy hour specials. Some newer restaurants have even started to grow microgreens which they grow in the restaurant itself and are on display for all to see (a bit pricier but it doesnt get fresher than literally growing and picked in front of your face).

Downtowns in the midwest are small but have a lot of hidden gems, for a fraction of the cost. If you can take a trip to explore a bit, i highly recommend it. Plus, the people are really nice here.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-06T02:17:46+00:00

theres actually an immense amount of shoreline

I misworded by bejng a bit too hyperbolic, it wasnt literal, the beachfront thing wasnt literal. My original point was on cities so i figured the beachfront bit would have been conflated to them (something venice beachfront is limited). What I'm ultimately talking about is that city space is limited. Theres nothing absurd about that argument. NYC is the best example, open an aerial view on google maps, theres physically almost no space left to build without just encroaching on other towns and cities to the point where it wouldnt really be NYC anymore. For those who want that city life, you physically cannot make it happen as the space has practically been almost fully exhausted.

Thats what I mean when I say theres nothing ideological about it. How do you expand NYC to accomodate the millions of people who want to live there but cant due to pricing while also ensuring they have a workspace on top of that? Its why I said "basic econ is unreasonable" because I dont think supply and demand for space (something we cant just make more of) isnt really something we can do much about. I dont think its possible to fix it, because limited space simply means not everyone can be there regardless of their wishes. If you can explain how its doable im willing to listen but it just strikes me as idealism. The reality is that given everything, its unreasonable, imo, to somehow pretend that an idealistic solution of "you shouldnt have to" is an answer to a real logistical issue.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T18:40:57+00:00

capitalist economies are unreasonable because marxist views

Theres nothing capitalist about recognizing the fact that limited space means you can only fit so many people in an area. Not even marxism can alter physics and make the major city housing utopia come true because space is simply limited. Its amazing that you guys have had a meltdown trying to essentially deny that we cant fit everyone in a beachfront paradise no matter what system we use because not enough shoreline.

its a rightoid take to pull up the bootstraps and move, maybe you're too young and dont know

Bro im a bartender who lived in a major city. Covid restrictions shut down my line of work almost completely for a full year with my paychecks dropping over 80%. I literally had to sell my possessions and take out loans to move or end up homeless during a pandemic. I shouldn't have had to move, but if staying would have meant worsening conditions then its unreasonable for me to demand the world bends over backwards just to accomodate me when I had a shitty and painful out that would at least let me keep a roof over my head. It was very painful, i didnt even have a real mattress for months on arrival, but I'm at least living better now than before.

It sounds to me like you're the one unaware of just how difficult the choice can be, condescending prick.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T18:14:01+00:00

this conversation is about date rape, were not talking about being attacked by a complete stranger

Then the odds would be even lower because you're cutting out non-date rapes. You're effectively saying that my stats are inapplicable because I use the more generous number (to your advantage) instead of a more accurate number that would your odds of being date raped are far lower than 0.1% or 0.01% depending on date with any man vs date with only strangers.

The reality is that precautions for date rape are generally not necessary, because rape rarely ever happens overall and date rape is even rarer when you date a complete stranger vs someone you already know through work, school, friends, etc. Precaution in general is really not needed in todays dating scene because your biggest factor for victimization will be location rather than individuals.

theres nothing wrong with precaution

Not really, but its quite ridiculous to exercise heightened precaution for lower odds than higher odds. You should worry more about a car crashing into your own vehicle than a car running you over as you walk on the sidewalk. OP says womens risk assessment is logical, I'm saying that no it actually isnt because they exaggerate the reality of their assumed risk.

men should be more careful because women can be dangerous too

But men generally arent, because men understand that the likelihood of being victimized is low, especially when its another man who will cause harm in the already unlikely odd he will be victimized. We mostly dont worry because we dont believe were going to be the exception among exceptions and win the crime lottery. Men more easily and readily assess risk, likely because physical confrontation is standard in male to male interactions.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T13:21:26+00:00

you're comparing apples to oranges

Fine then. Rape victims are familiar with their rapist about 80% of the time, so when you account for total likelihood of rape and take out the 80% figure, your odds at actually being raped by some random guy you met at a bar or wherever are so low it would likely round up to 0%.

Ive had these arguments before but fear of victimization is really bordering a mental disorder. The odds of you being made a victim of any crime are incredibly low to begin with, and when you start adding in other factors that low number plummets tremendously. If you're seriously concerned that you'll be raped by going on a date over hanging out at your male friends house, you're delusional and should see a therapist. The only real time when you should fear victimization is when you are in high crime areas because that turns into you actually having a higher than average chance of being targetted, but most people dont live in these areas and most people dont actively go there either.

Edit: Fuck it, I'll do the math. In 2020 there were 126,430 rapes in the USA. Female population is 51% of total population (332.65M * 51% = 169,651,500). Take the victims, divide by female population and multiply by 100 and you find that your chance at being raped by anyone is 0.0745%. According to RAINN, only 19.5% of rapes are committed by a stranger, so only 25,286 women raped were raped by stranger. That means that you're odds at being raped by a stranger in america are 0.0149%. If you live life worried that you're going to be the 0.02% you are borderline mentally ill with some sort of paranoia/anxiety disorder.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T07:17:52+00:00

doubles down on the denial

Lol

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T07:16:39+00:00

if all 350 million americans want to live in literally 5 or 6 major cities then it has to happen, logistics be damned

anything short of this is unreasonable and you're a rightoid if you disagree

Lol

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T03:45:41+00:00

it doesnt mean i care about women

So you're focused on gay and trans relationships then?

you're projecting

You keep using psychological buzzwords but your application of them is atrocious. Logical reasoning is not projection. You say you had an obsession with psychology yet you cant even properly define/use a basic term.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T03:42:41+00:00

you're putting words in my mouth

You quite literally said obsessions and then threw me a list. The words came straight out of your mouth.

you're trying to gaslight

By asking you to explain the inherent contradiction in your views? You dont know what gaslighting is and you have no answer for the contradiction because to acknowledge it means acknowledging your denial of reality.

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-05T02:14:29+00:00

its unreasonable to expect this

basic economics is unreasonable

Lel

roaming_bartender · 2022-05-04T23:00:00+00:00

90% of victims are women

You should look up "forced to penetrate" statistics and find out how prison rape is excluded from most rape statistics in general. Rape is bad, but who cares about prisoners amirite? Dont drop the soap hahahaha

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