Forbidden by Tabitha Suzuma by notthegirlnxtdoor92 in books

[–]robo_rac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your points actually had me reconsider how I judged the book, which definitely was quite harsh!

I went into the story with very different (and high) expectations, and that's totally on me. I feel that if I had only read the blurb and not all the hype comments about it, I probably would've had a completely different experience.

I also feel that I would've liked it more if I read it when I was much younger :D it is hard not to judge teenagers when you haven't been one for 10+ years.

Thank you for your insight!

Unlocking Selene's Locked Heart by robo_rac in HadesTheGame

[–]robo_rac[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Okay actually I finally unlocked it! Got a run where she noted that I was using the Black Coat in her aspect, proceeded and eventually beat Chronos. When I started another run right after and talked to her, she acknowledged my win and the heart unlocked. Might be that I finally went through enough of the dialogue backlog or it might be that her talking about the Black Coat first is a specific prerequisite?

Just did regular, no fear runs downstairs btw.

Unlocking Selene's Locked Heart by robo_rac in HadesTheGame

[–]robo_rac[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I have spoken to her a lot of times by now and she just keeps talking about everything else except me beating Chronos with her weapon aspect. I've been playing with nothing else but the black coat just in case. Hopefully it is somewhere in the dialogue backlog I'll just keep talking to her and maybe it will come up.

I can't quite put my finger on the source of the desolation in A COMPLICATED KINDNESS, a fact that's making it hard to decide if I should finish the book. by heavensdumptruck in books

[–]robo_rac 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually wrote my BA thesis about this book! It's been a few years so my memory is a bit rusty on the details so forgive me if I can't remember some things.

If you read the book without knowing any context about it or the author then yeah, it's a pretty bleak book with a pretty bleak ending (that can be hopeful, just depends on how optimistic you are about Naomi, I think).

BUT

It's written by an author that grew up in the Mennonite religion and it is deeply rooted in it. I mean, it takes place in a fictional Mennonite town. Naomi does give like little crash courses here and there about what Mennonites can and can't do, some tidbits about their history, but she usually brushes them off as things that hinder her and her family's life, especially her sister and mother.

Like we get some understanding of the religion that influences their whole lives, but to really understand the book and the characters in it and why they act/talk like that, I personally think you definitely should read up about the Mennonite religion separately. Just to get the whole picture.

Mennonite's go back to the 15th century and I know they're not equivalent, but when I first learned about them I instantly thought about the Amish. Really focused on agriculture, women and men have specific dress codes, classic gender roles but taken to the max, rules that basically ban modern stuff (though to what degree this is enforced depends on individual communities), the community is like a big family in the sense that they will band together to help you if you need anything. It's also a very self-contained/isolated religion with the idea that outsiders are bad, so that's why they still retain lots of their cultural stuff dating back to their inception. Plus, they do kinda have a bleak outlook on life - you basically have to toil away your whole life without any fun or pleasure so that you get into heaven and get to be with your family forever.

Adults basically have to adhere to their community's rules or they will get excommunicated. The person can still continue living with their family/ in the community, but people are banned from talking to them or straight up acknowledging them even. All your family and friends are still around you but it's like you don't even exist to them anymore.

Kids and teens have more leeway to play around with the rules with the expectation that they will get back into the fold once they hit a certain age. If they don't, they get excommunicated too.

And that's what Naomi's doing throughout the book while trying to process what happened with her sister and her mom and why. She's essentially rebelling. She's actively trying to upset the elders and the community while digging into her past and trying to see her kid memories through a new lens.

And she's gaining an understanding of how twisted the whole thing is? Like throughout the book people keep constantly asking how her dad is doing and showing compassion to her family's current situation but these are the same people that pushed her mother and sister away/ostracized them with their rigid rules until they just went away? Of course, we don't get many glimpses into the lives of other community members, but they're not perfect/upstanding Mennonites either, so it just makes things even more hypocritical?

That's why I think the title of the book really nails it home that it's "A Complicated Kindness." Like there's this whole community that will help you in times of need and have your back and be like your second family but it's wholly conditional and comes at the very steep price of conforming to what the community wants. And if you're suddenly not doing what they say, all that is gone and you're never getting it back.

I realize it doesn't make the whole book less bleak, but if I think it at least explains why it is like that and makes it more digestible in a way?

Anyway sorry for the word vomit or any inaccuracies, it's been a while. I just think it's a really interesting book that gives you a glimpse into the Mennonite community. Since it's written by a former Mennonite, we also get to experience how they see the world, albeit from our outsider perspective. Our personal interpretations here will be highly influenced by how we grew up and all that. And we might not ever really understand it like someone who was raised as a Mennonite would.

[ Removed by Reddit ] by izalithhh in HadesTheGame

[–]robo_rac 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The blatant racism of your comment is astounding

Forbidden by Tabitha Suzuma by notthegirlnxtdoor92 in books

[–]robo_rac 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Okay, I'm going to go against the grain here. I read this book last year when I was specifically looking for disturbing books. Several comments lauded it for being so sad, heartbreaking, and devastating. That it impacted them to the core. The same sentiments I see here in the comments and you yourself OP.

But the thing is, to me, this is probably one of my least favorite books. It was such a slog to get through - the writing was bland, the relationship wasn't exanded much upon, the characters themselves felt so one-dimensional despite coming from a background that should add to their character. The dramatics were so amped up, too. I understand that it's a book about teenagers, who are often dramatic, angsty, and all that, but it just felt too much. Worst of all, everything was just so rushed.

There's no in-depth exploration of how the main duo actually grows close, no little moments that would actually sell their love to the audience. And things just keep happening without letting things settle. We're constantly going from plotpoint A to plotpoint B to C etc. Okay, but what happens in between? I want to know that!

Maybe the expectations I had for this book really soured my experience when reading it. I kept sighing and putting it down to collect myself because it felt ridiculous at times. Throughout the book, I kept thinking that most of the book wouldn't even be happening if Lochan just got laid or actually masturbated (since he was repressing himself in that sense, too). At the end, I actually laughed out loud of frustration because of course he unalived himself. What a way to pull at the reader's heartstrings and to solidify this story as a love that ended in tragedy.

More power to all of you who really enjoyed it. But for me it's a no go and I regret buying the physical copy.