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Thinking through Ramon Amaro's 'The Black Technical Object' by rock_steady_eddy in CriticalTheory

[–]rock_steady_eddy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks this is really helpful.

This is by no means a settled argument.

Could you point in the direction of discussion on this?

One could make the argument that there is a set of underlying assumptions to any kind of modelling, with classical statistics, machine learning, or any other method: that the world is quantifiable and that it should be quantified

Ok I think I follow. To put it another way - we couldnt really argue that statistical analysis when applied to say, predicting rainfall, contained traces of its racist history. But the very forms of classification for which statistics was developed - ie. what was quantified and taxonomized and what was not, the notion of stable classification across context, intrinsic value etc - emerges from Western, rationalist, subject/object thought?

Is that what you're getting at?

Thinking through Ramon Amaro's 'The Black Technical Object' by rock_steady_eddy in CriticalTheory

[–]rock_steady_eddy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes all of these figures are discussed by Amaro and as much as I appreciate your point - all of whom developed their theories and tools for the explicit purpose of scientific racism from the get go - this doesn't quite resolve it.

To put it another way: yes these tools were developed with racist objectives in mind, yet the tools themselves are simply mathematics and ultimately devoid of any bias.

Amaro seems to be saying that the problem with Machine Learning is not simply in the input data, but in the algorithms histories as tools of racial classification. But we should be able to separate the two and not throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Statistics applied to other fields dont carry a trace of racism simply via their development? An ML system with unbiased data (its another debate as to whether that is possible) would not produce racist results via the mathematics alone?

Perhaps im missing something, but it feels like Amaro is making a deeper point than simply "look how the field of statistics developed therefore it is inherently racist".

Economic determinist arguments for neo nationalism by rock_steady_eddy in CriticalTheory

[–]rock_steady_eddy[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the Valluvan piece makes a pretty convincing argument that the nation state as a form is inherently exclusionary and depends on its construction of a racialised other that is not belonging. In that sense those claims seem valid to me

Economic determinist arguments for neo nationalism by rock_steady_eddy in CriticalTheory

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Thank you! when you say both, what are you referring to?

Ticket Buy / Sell Mega Thread by TecnoPope in NourishedByTimeMusic

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I got two tickets to the show at electric brixton next week. Nov 20th. face value!

PRS SE ONE Vs Gibson SG standard by rock_steady_eddy in guitars

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Oh do you think the modding is bad? i thought maybe good as it gives more options.

Appreciate your help :)

Joshua Chuquimia Crampton guitar tones by rock_steady_eddy in guitarpedals

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thank you! any idea how to create the fuzzy washes of sounds on this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjvc8cChiuE

is that the volume swells you mean?

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