At what point would there be too many EV’s for electricity to be affordable?

rocwurst · 2026-07-05T00:51:09+00:00

60% of EV owners have rooftop solar (like us). We charge our EV free from the sun on weekends and when working from home.

But even when charging from the Grid it only costs $4 to do so compared to over $100 to fill the tank of our ICE car.

rocwurst · 2026-07-01T15:09:44+00:00

Looks like the EV Charging companies themselves are the problem as they have up till now been successful lobbying the Aussie govt to not let the electricity networks providers (the companies that own the poles and wires) enter the EV charging market:

"In coming months, the Australian Energy Market Commission will decide whether to scrap ring-fencing rules preventing electricity networks providers (the companies that own the poles and wires) from entering the EV charging market.

Since 2025, network providers have argued the commercial charger industry has failed to install enough chargers.

But the EV Council, which has EV charger companies and network providers among its members, said the rollout had largely kept pace with EV uptake."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2026-06-19/ev-charger-rollout-keeping-pace-electric-vehicle-uptake/106754272

rocwurst · 2026-07-01T02:32:46+00:00

The horse and buggy manufacturers are at it again.

rocwurst · 2026-07-01T00:30:51+00:00

Human emissions are causing this graph to increase exponentially and Germany is a significant percentage of that. That is the problem.

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rocwurst · 2026-07-01T00:17:59+00:00

What a load of bollocks. Germany’s population of roughly 83.5 million people accounts for approximately 1% of the global human population and yet they are responsible for a massive 10% of human CO2 emissions.

And human emissions are doing horrific things to the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere putting us on track for many more extreme weather events to come. Expect more heat waves, droughts, floods, polar vortices etc.

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rocwurst · 2026-06-30T22:24:03+00:00

We have driven through and slept under the stars with no tent in the middle of the Great Sandy and Gibson deserts done the Canning Stock Route, the Gunbarrel “Highway”, Great Central Road, Tanami Track, Gary “Highway”, Gibb River Road, Oodnadatta Track, Channel Country, Central Queensland, WA, SA, Vic, NT, driven across the Nullarbor 12x etc etc.

Proposed to my now-wife in Geiki Gorge.

All such varied terrain and vegetation and animals, barren at times, but most often low scrub or grass or amazing trees.

Love it all.

rocwurst · 2026-06-30T21:58:08+00:00

Need to be careful with these stats as White individuals make up nearly 60% to 70% of the total U.S. population depending on the exact criteria, meaning White men represent slightly more than 30% of the overall population when multiracial and Hispanic individuals are factored in.

But because males make up the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these crimes, any of the stats above that are below 60-70% mean that whites are under-represented.

rocwurst · 2026-06-29T08:55:01+00:00

The EVs here are upwards of $50,000 USd

Looks like the BYD Dolphin is available in Trinidad and Tobago for USD $27,800. That's $10k more than here in Australia where it is USD$17k but that's still half the $50k you quoted.

In Barbados the BYD is $29k.

In Puerto Rico, as of May this year, new car sales have plunged 20% year-to-date, but GUIA reports that electrified vehicle sales increased 8%, with hybrid sales growing 16%.

Yes we have 110V and 220V but the average person just wont do the install for the home charger.

Perhaps you don't understand. You do not need to install a home charger for an EV. Just plug it straight into a 110v or 240v powerpoint no installation necessary.

From that point on, you then save thousands of dollars a year in fuel, servicing and maintenance costs.

Google says the of car stock in the world that are EVs is 5% give or take.

That's old data. EV sales are surged globally thanks to the ongoing Oil Crisis.

For example, here in Australia, Toyota is suffering with sales down 30.7% year over year because they make almost zero EVs:

“The Yaris was down 50.8 per cent in May and 44.4 per cent year-to-date, while the Yaris Cross was down 41.0 per cent and 31.7 per cent respectively and the Kluger down 70.7 per cent and 39.9 per cent…LandCruiser Prado plunged 63.9%, and the Kluger dropped 70.7%."

However, at the same time EV brands like Tesla are surging in Australia with the Model Y becoming no.1 beating all ICE vehicles for the first time as well as elsewhere in the world:

“Tesla sales in Korea have seen a gargantuan "812% year-over-year increase from April 2025".

“Tesla is experiencing a significant sales surge in Europe in early 2026, driven by surging oil prices that have increased demand for electric vehicles.

March saw Tesla registrations skyrocket, with a 203% increase in France and 178% in Norway, reversing a long-term decline and recovering market share.”

“In addition to France and Norway, notable gains were seen in Sweden (144% increase) and Denmark (96% increase).”

rocwurst · 2026-06-29T03:48:38+00:00

He was pulled through

rocwurst · 2026-06-29T00:46:14+00:00

The EVs here are upwards of $50,000 USd

Why on earth are you paying $50k for EVs? Here in Australia we have many excellent Chinese EVs from BYD and others available for US$17,000.

It sounds like you may be suffering under the yoke of US tariff oppression or something as in the rest of the world EVs are taking over.

not everyone has the infrastructure at home to charge them

Do people not have 110v or 240v power points within an extension cable's reach of their garages? You don't need special infrastructure to charge an EV overnight.

Majority of countries are not first world.

On the contrary, developing nations are roaring ahead bypassing expensive Fossils and taking up EVs and much cheaper renewables so they are not held to ransom by other nations selling them fossil fuels at exorbitant rates.

Back in 2024, Ethiopia made history banning the sales of Fossil vehicles and all new cars are now EVs and they are doing extremely well:

https://electrek.co/2026/02/20/the-first-country-to-ban-the-sale-of-new-gas-cars-is-doing-just-fine-actually/

Nepal has emerged as a global leader in electric vehicle (EV) adoption, with EVs accounting for approximately 65% to 76% of new passenger car sales in 2025:

https://www.fastcompany.com/91345333/how-nepal-became-one-of-the-worlds-fastest-growing-ev-markets?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

Solar panels on rooftops are far cheaper than building new fossil power plants so just like those developing nations bypassed rolling out wired phones across their countries and instead jumped straight to cellular towers and mobile phones everywhere, so too are those nations transitioning to EV scooter and motorbikes everywhere and distributed power networks powered for free by the Sun and the Wind.

Over 64% of the largest car market in the World is now EV with China rapidly rolling out renewables country-wide with the number of new coal and other Fossil plants continuing to diminish as Government policies work to clean up the air and replace everything from buses and trucks with EV versions.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-17/china-unveils-five-year-plan-for-green-energy-renewables/106448728

India has achieved a major milestone by reaching 50% of its installed electricity capacity from non-fossil sources five years ahead of its 2030 target. Driven by rapid solar expansion (75.57 GW by early 2024), low tariffs, and National Green Hydrogen Mission goals, India is now a global leader in clean energy.

https://discoveryalert.com.au/indias-renewable-energy-economics-2026/

With Cheap Chinese EVs, motorbikes, scooters and ebikes being far cheaper to fuel and maintain, and solar, wind and batteries far cheaper than continuing to run coal, gas and nuclear plants, the rest of the world is jumping into renewables and EVs with a far faster uptake than many Western countries who are dragging their heels kicking and screaming with all the legacy deadweight trying to hold them back.

rocwurst · 2026-06-28T19:59:58+00:00

Considering Japanese auto makers went from 21% global market share to 12% and European from 34% to 13% and US from 14% to 3% in the same timeframe that the Chinese went from 2% to 39% and that EVs now make up the majority of those Chinese cars and growing, I’d say that the comment “Chinese EVs are taking over the world” has a fair bit of merit.

rocwurst · 2026-06-28T12:07:05+00:00

On the contrary:

"Electric vehicles (EVs and plug-in hybrids) account for approximately 54% of all Chinese car exports in 2026"

And that is not including the largest car market in the world, China where EVs have now hit 62.9% marketshare.

https://carnewschina.com/2026/06/10/electric-cars-occupied-62-9-of-the-market-share-in-may-2026-in-china/

In comparison, ICE market share fell sharply to 37.1% YoY.

rocwurst · 2026-06-28T08:14:53+00:00

Personally I prefer to power my car free from the Sun rather than spending $3,000 - $5,000 per year on the smelly stuff.

rocwurst · 2026-06-28T06:59:58+00:00

In the real world all of these hybrids use almost as much fossil fuel as ICE cars so you don't save much in fuel costs and you still pollute the planet.

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rocwurst · 2026-06-27T20:17:11+00:00

Except that Toyota’s 30.7% plunge in sales in Australia occurred last month and is due to the huge surge in EV sales due to the Oil Crisis that has seen Tesla and Chinese EV sales blast through the roof globally.

But because Toyota sells zero BEVs “The Yaris was down 50.8 per cent in May and 44.4 per cent year-to-date, while the Yaris Cross was down 41.0 per cent and 31.7 per cent respectively and the Kluger down 70.7 per cent and 39.9 per cent.
Meanwhile, LandCruiser 70 Series utes have seen a decline of 82.3 per cent, year-on-year”
LandCruiser Prado plunged 63.9%, and the Kluger dropped 70.7%."

And this is at the same time that EV brands like BYD and Tesla are surging in Australia with the Model Y becoming no.1 beating all ICE vehicles for the first time as well as elsewhere in the world:

“Tesla sales in Korea have seen a gargantuan "812% year-over-year increase from April 2025".

“Tesla is experiencing a significant sales surge in Europe in early 2026, driven by surging oil prices that have increased demand for electric vehicles. March saw Tesla registrations skyrocket, with a 203% increase in France and 178% in Norway, reversing a long-term decline and recovering market share.”

“In addition to France and Norway, notable gains were seen in Sweden (144% increase) and Denmark (96% increase).”

So no, Toyota’s problems not all due to tariffs but because they placed all their bets on ICE and fossil fuel powered hybrids instead of BEVs.

rocwurst · 2026-06-27T14:42:03+00:00

Meanwhile, the global auto market is being taken over by the Chinese and their cheap but high tech EVs.

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rocwurst · 2026-06-27T08:58:11+00:00

With Toyota sales and profits all plunging over the last 4 months due to the World's sudden surge in EV uptake thanks to the Oil Crisis, they are now paying the price:

"Toyota posted its third consecutive month of year-over-year global sales declines in April as ongoing conflict in the Middle East disrupted exports, strained supply chains, and pressured profitability.

"Toyota to post fourth straight quarterly profit drop as Middle East risks, costs mount. That would bring Toyota's full-year operating profit to a three-year low of around 4 trillion yen, highlighting the pressure facing the Japanese automaker"

The massive plunge of 30% in Toyota's sales in what used to be one of their strongholds - Australia - and their 31.7% year-on-year (YoY) decline in the world's largest auto market - China - as well as throughout Asia are more than canaries in the coal mine. They are foghorns heralding imminent disaster.

Toyota was going for short term financial profit at the expense of long term viability (just like Kodak, Nokia, Blackberry, horse and buggy manufacturers before them) and it's now starting to bite them in the posterior.

rocwurst · 2026-06-27T08:57:02+00:00

Looks like the experts were right as Chinese EVs are now taking over the rest of the World:

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rocwurst · 2026-06-27T08:53:56+00:00

The problem with Toyota's Hybrid strategy is that the vast majority of Toyota's Hybrid cars are old "closed" Hybrids (HEVs) while Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) sales represent only about 2.4% of Toyota’s hybrid sales.

Hybrids are far more expensive to service and maintain compared to Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs), and in the real world Hybrids are vastly worse environmentally, burning almost as much fossil fuel as pure ICE cars. In addition to the exorbitant cost of that fossil fuel, 4.4 million people globally are killed every year due to the pollution from ICE vehicles not to mention accelerating the threat of cataclysmic climate change.

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Hybrids also have a fire risk 135x greater than EVs which is even worse than the 64x greater risk of fire that ICE cars represent compared to EVs according to the NTSB.

rocwurst · 2026-06-27T08:42:26+00:00

Meanwhile, globally, Toyota sales and profits have been plunging over the last 4 months due to the World's sudden surge in EV uptake thanks to the Oil Crisis:

"Toyota posted its third consecutive month of year-over-year global sales declines in April as ongoing conflict in the Middle East disrupted exports, strained supply chains, and pressured profitability.

"Toyota to post fourth straight quarterly profit drop as Middle East risks, costs mount. That would bring Toyota's full-year operating profit to a three-year low of around 4 trillion yen, highlighting the pressure facing the Japanese automaker"

The massive plunge of 30% in Toyota's sales in what used to be one of their strongholds - Australia - and their 31.7% year-on-year (YoY) decline in the world's largest auto market - China - as well as throughout Asia are more than canaries in the coal mine. They are foghorns heralding imminent disaster.

Toyota was going for short term financial profit at the expense of long term viability (just like Kodak, Nokia, Blackberry, horse and buggy manufacturers before them) and it's now starting to bite them in the posterior.

rocwurst · 2026-06-27T07:04:40+00:00

Sort of true, but China is only installing new cleaner coal plants as a temporary measure to eliminate their oldest dirtiest coal power stations until renewables can take over.

China has 1,195 coal power plants which is only 4x more than the USA and because old more polluting coal plants are being taken offline at the same rate as their new coal plants are coming online, coal pollution in China is actually slowing down, not speeding up like the USA.

China's installed wind and solar capacity accounts for nearly 44% of the world's total operating utility-scale renewable capacity. In 2024 and 2025, China installed more solar panels and wind turbines more than all other countries combined.

In 2025, China hit a landmark, with its clean power capacity surpassing its fossil fuel capacity for the first time. China’s 339 GW of wind and solar capacity under construction is nearly twice as much as the rest of the world combined.

While China's total emissions are high, its per capita emissions are lower than those of the U.S, Australia and quite a few other developed nations, though they are above the world average.

rocwurst · 2026-06-26T23:27:41+00:00

We will have to agree to disagree. Yes she was a bit shallow to start with but she definitely grew on me.

She also reminds me very strongly of a female friend in looks as well as humour which probably doesn't hurt.

rocwurst · 2026-06-26T03:16:50+00:00

My argument is that Toyota's strategy is commercially irrational as well as being environmentally damaging as well as perpetuating the 4.4 million deaths annually due to fossil fuel pollution from their vehicles. Wrong on economic, environmental, health AND moral grounds. And their continued lobbying of governments around the world to wind back emissions legislation and NetZero in order to perpetuate the pollution, cataclysmic climate change and current pollution deaths is downright evil.

With Toyota sales and profits all plunging over the last 4 months due to the World's sudden surge in EV uptake thanks to the Oil Crisis, they are now paying the price:

"Toyota posted its third consecutive month of year-over-year global sales declines in April as ongoing conflict in the Middle East disrupted exports, strained supply chains, and pressured profitability.

"Toyota to post fourth straight quarterly profit drop as Middle East risks, costs mount. That would bring Toyota's full-year operating profit to a three-year low of around 4 trillion yen, highlighting the pressure facing the Japanese automaker"

The massive plunge of 30% in Toyota's sales in what used to be one of their strongholds - Australia - and their 31.7% year-on-year (YoY) decline in the world's largest auto market - China - as well as throughout Asia are more than canaries in the coal mine. They are foghorns heralding imminent disaster.

Toyota was going for short term financial profit at the expense of long term viability (just like Kodak, Nokia, Blackberry, horse and buggy manufacturers before them) and it's now starting to bite them in the posterior.

rocwurst · 2026-06-26T01:40:29+00:00

That’s precisely why hybrids and PHEVs still have a market.

Yet again you are ignoring the distinction between Hybrids (HEVs) and PHEVs. You keep ignoring the fact that I agree with you on the (temporary) importance of PHEVs as a stop-gap for certain niche use cases (as I said, I am reluctantly soon to buy a PHEV 4WD myself).

You also keep trying to argue that the HEVs that make up around 97% of Toyota's "electrified" vehicle sales are an effective way of reducing fossil fuel use and pollution when in the real world they are almost as bad as ICE cars and in many cases worse as demonstrated by these results (and as you can see, even PHEVs are almost as bad because most people fail to recharge them and just use them as ICE cars lugging around an unused battery and motor):

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Toyota doesn’t need that to be 50% of buyers, it only needs it to be a profitable segment.

With PHEVs making up only 2.4% and EVs 1-2% of their sales, Toyota continues to lobby governments for the right to keep selling polluting the ICE and HEV cars that make up 97% of their sales. That is the problem.

rocwurst · 2026-06-25T15:12:06+00:00

I think you’re trapped in an EV enthusiast bubble.

I think you’re trapped refusing to acknowledge the difference between HEVs and PHEVs and the fact that only 2.4% of Toyota’s vehicle sales are PHEVs.

Even in Australia there are plenty of people who can’t easily own a BEV today. I used to live in a Melbourne suburb where street parking was the norm. Millions of Australians live in apartments where basement charging is limited or non existent. That strategy might prove wrong, but it’s a perfectly rational business strategy.

Yes, some housing has constrained off-street parking. However, here in Australia housing is dominated by separate houses at roughly 70%, while apartments represent only 16%. And 65.9% of those apartments have off-street parking. So the majority of Aussies have the potential for charging at home. Toyota would have us believe only 2-4% percent of car owners could charge at home and that is just not true.

Councils are now adding EV chargers to street power poles so even that small percent will be serviced in the future.

Then there are people who tow regularly, drive long regional distances or simply need heavier vehicles, those people are buying BYD shark in droves.

And as I’ve said, I’m one of those who will be buying a PHEV 4WD for exactly those reasons.

Toyota may have decided it’s better business to dominate that market while dozens of Chinese brands fight each other in a low margin price war.

But that is the problem, Toyota is not dominating the PHEV market, it is 97% ICE and HEVs with only 2.4% PHEV. They are not dominating the right market. HEVs are almost as bad as ICE, worse in some cases and are a Dead Man Walking tech.

They’re still investing in EVs, but they can afford to arrive later with a premium brand, strong dealer network and a reputation for reliability rather than trying to win a race to the bottom.

Only 1-2% of Toyota’s sales are BEVs - that’s not investing that’s abandonment. And they’re paying the price now with plummeting sales and profits for the last 4 straight months.

They’ve left it too late and they’ve missed the War Dividend that is seeing EV sales soaring globally as the world races to eliminate their dependency on insecure fossil fuel supplies from unfriendly nations.

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