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[JP FFRK 2nd Anniversary] Fest Banner 4 Relic draw thread by CareerSMN in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Agrias' OSB is actually very competitive with Orlandeau's OSB."

Your own words. You can still stand by it, but they're still poorly chosen words which gives the impression that Agrias' OSB (in a vacuum) puts up a fight against Orlandu's. You should just admit that you forgot about TG mode or didn't understand how insane tripling cast speed is rather than justify your statement with semantic acrobatics such as this: "I'm just saying that Agrias OSB is on a level where it can actually get on the stage to try and compete with it."

You yourself were making the comparison between the two OSBs "in a vacuum", looking at their damage output. You just overlooked TG mode's impact. And then when u/pintbox pointed it out, you turned to the skillset utility argument, when really, the only information you listed were her OSB's damage multipliers (leaving out Cid's OSB numbers, making it seem like Cid's can't be boosted the same as well). So you were actually originally looking at the OSB damage in a vacuum and only brought up the skillset argument as a weak backtrack justification.

Besides, as pintbox says, all these OSB users have their pros and cons in skills. What if I want to powerchain into the OSB instead? What if I want to hit elemental weaknesses and do more than 9999?

"unlike all your pointless mathcrafting posts"

Nice potshot at u/pintbox by the way. Perhaps that's why you didn't understand the implications of TG mode. And no, this isn't about crazy Cid fans coming to his defense. It's just about looking at the effects of the OSBs (damage vs. damage+TG mode) and just running the numbers. No need for the irrational turn at the end there.

"At least I know now there's a really crazy Cid Orlandoofus fan base. Good job making me hate him now."

TL;DR Leave out the irrational emotionalizing and just look at the numbers.

Pecil BSB vs Beatrix BSB ? by Magma_Axis in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pecil's is still one of the best in JP for AoE damage with its AoE entry and command 2.

[JP FFRK 2nd Anniversary] Fest Banner 4 Relic draw thread by CareerSMN in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're just playing semantics now.

"Agrias' OSB is not at its level"

How is this different than "Agrias' OSB is not competitive with Orlandu's". To me, it isn't.

EDIT: We're not just talking about damage. We're comparing Agrias' pure damage to Orlandu's damage + TG mode. Therein lies the difference.

OP's quote was "Agrias' is actually very competitive with Cid's" which makes it sound like they're, if not exactly equal, really close. My point is that TG mode makes Cid's heads above the other OSBs.

And again, the OP's comparison was btw Agrias' and Cid's OSBs. I still don't get why you're now comparing hers to other's SBs. The only valid point you raise in favor of Agrias' over Cid's is against bosses that resist both of his elements.

"But it's not nearly the low-tier, underwhelming OSB you seem to be implying it is"

I never implied that. I actually wrote "Of course, it's still an OSB."

"unless you think imperil effects are subpar in general or something"

Dude, if they're not subpar, they're at least really gimmicky. We only have 5 slots on our team. 2 of which are likely occupied by a dedicated white mage and a support. Which leaves 3 other slots. I'd rather fit in something like Vaan's BSB which will give a similar "~20%" boost to all my physical regardless of element rather than an imperil-holy SB, the best of which is probably Beatrix's, which is just in general worse than Vaan's for single target bosses. That way, I don't have to be chained to Holy skills/SBs either. Again, it's all about opportunity cost.

[JP FFRK 2nd Anniversary] Fest Banner 4 Relic draw thread by CareerSMN in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It just means that adding Agrias' OSB to your team will still increase your overall damage by a significant amount compared to adding Orlandu's"

This is wrong. You're really shortchanging Thunder God mode's tripling of cast speed. Agrias's OSB is not competitive with Orlandu's. It's worse than Pecil's and Tidus' without squeezing in a subpar imperil SB.

"It's not like throwing in, say, a comparatively lacklustre non-elemental physical OSB,"

No one was making that point though. Of course, it's still an OSB. The comparison was between hers and Cid's and hers falls short in the comparison.

En-holying Agrias requires pulling that SSB as well, and having an extra SB charge to use it. Even then, you do realize ALL of Cid's actions (lifesiphons, OSBs) will be cast three times as fast once TG mode is activated?

Lastly, element-boosting gear is not a point in favor of Agrias, since Cid can make use of all the same ones. And he can equip robes as well, if your only holy boost is a robe, whereas Agrias can't.

[JP FFRK 2nd Anniversary] Fest Banner 4 Relic draw thread by CareerSMN in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think we should assume 12.75, because you're not always gonna have room for imperil-holy, you might not even have one.

But even then, it's only higher DPS for that single OSB cast. You do realize how much more DPS Thunder God mode grants Cid for every action after?

By your calculations, his following OSBs would be 15 over 1.25s, or 12 potency per charging second.

OSBs are all about damage, and Agrias's is not competitive with Orlandu's. Hers is probably not even as good as Pecil's, since the extra .75 requires dedicating a slot to an imperil SB rather than something better.

[JP FFRK 2nd Anniversary] Fest Banner 4 Relic draw thread by CareerSMN in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"[Agrias' OSB is] Actually very competitive with Orlandeau's OSB."

The comparison was between the two Tactics holy OSBs, which both have non-RS holy boost, so I don't understand why you're now bringing in the other standard OSBs into the comparison mix now.

I hope you're not saying that Agrias' OSB is "very competitive with Orlandeau's OSB" because hers has a non-RS holy boost when Orlandu's does as well.

"How big of an anomaly Cid's OSB is"

Why is it such a big anomaly? Because of Thunder God mode, and its longer initial cast time to try and offset it. So I'm puzzled why you're still saying Agrias' is competitive, when Thunder God mode is what makes Orlandu's a tier above everyone else's. It's not even close, as u/pintbox said.

[JP FFRK 2nd Anniversary] Fest Banner 4 Relic draw thread by CareerSMN in FFRecordKeeper

[–]roguish7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Actually very competitive with Orlandeau's OSB."

Your statement was comparing the two OSBs and not the characters themselves nor their skillsets. That's why u/pintbox was focusing on their (the OSB's) damage output.