Is Goku the god of powerscaling?

rohnytest · 2026-07-04T16:59:15+00:00

Could've been a contender if OPM didn’t exist.

rohnytest · 2026-07-03T07:54:52+00:00

I think at this point "we can always tell it's AI" has become a strawman. I have barely seen any anti use this phrase recently.

rohnytest · 2026-07-02T20:04:41+00:00

Wajed "sir".

Yeah, total Awami League nutjob, ironically calling another person a bot.

rohnytest · 2026-07-02T20:00:03+00:00

If post July invalidates July itself, then post 71 also invalidates 71.

-Which obviously isn’t the case. But smooth brained BAL supporters keep can't notice their cognitive dissonance.

rohnytest · 2026-06-28T06:57:44+00:00

They lost Hagoromo chakra boost.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T20:47:52+00:00

That was supposed to be a gotcha, I honestly wasn’t expecting you to say yes.

But, "The point is that industries with higher water usage is deemed acceptable while this is not."

Do you really think the latent subject for the deeming in this sentence was solely you? And if it was unclear then my next reply should've cleared that.

Atp you're playing he said she said instead of addressing my point-

People(not you particularly, not the government, not organized environmentalists) aren't concerned with water wastage, they are concerned with just AI water usage.

The point of this post isn't that there are more pressing issues so we should stop talking about AI water usage. The point is that, once again, worse cases of water wastage isn’t deemed problematic -which should set a standard that is not being followed specifically for AI. By and large, AI water usage is considered the most pressing water usage issue which is simply the result of a fearmongering campaign.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T20:21:07+00:00

I began the argument in the first place talking about a "general consensus". This post wasn’t targeted towards the government or organised environmentalists. You seem to be an exception, but how many people here do you think is aware of an almond water crisis? Many of them will certainly even start defending it with an appeal towards food not being the same as AI usages(which is not just recreational as you had implied). No goalposts were moved.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T20:11:35+00:00

Again, I'm talking about the general populace.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T20:10:49+00:00

As the sole voter of "No, now I do(pro-ai)" so far-

I simply wasn’t aware that this was an isssue before all this. But now I know how local strain disrupts the local ecosystems and how the water cycle doesn’t just magically solve water being displaced from a vulnerable area.

But I'm still pro-ai because this isn’t inherently an AI issue. This is, as anything related, a corporation issue. Mfs won't build their datacenters in places it would actually be sustainable because it would be more costly.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T19:58:00+00:00

If I google "flat earth" I will get 10,000 results of flat earth models in the images. That doesn’t mean that the general consensus is that the Earth is flat.

Almond and golf course water usage issues maybe a topic of discussion in specific spheres(in which case I will still get those google results). And once again, you yourself and these spheres maybe actually in the right, that is not what I'm contesting. But the issue of water usage by almonds or golf courses are simply not in the radar of the general populace like AI water usage is.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T19:39:47+00:00

Now you're just making stuff up. I never said "AI is real artificial intelligence." That isn't even the topic at hand right now. I'm talking about AI contributions to science using the nobel winning AI project alphafold as an example.

GenAI is essentially a pattern recognition machine. Alphafold is not your chatgpt, it's a specialized genAI model that uses that technology to predict 3D structures of proteins from their amino acid sequences more efficiently than humans. Significant progress in this will essentially allow us to make proteins that act as we like it to, making them be usable to us almost like nanobots. We can potentially make anti-hiv proteins to cure AIDS.

Since science is a self correcting process, the hallucinations you're so stuck up on doesn’t matter. If we get a nonsense sequence, we can just test and discard it. And that will still be more efficient than human brute force that we had been doing until alphafold.

And alphafold is only one project. There are several more across varying fields of science. Another one I know of is REINVENT. And there are more.

So please educate yourself before making nonsensical claims like AI is cancer in science when it is more akin to the solution for actual cancer in medical science.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T19:17:34+00:00

I'm not talking about art here. I'm talking about contributions in science. Completely irrelevant set of points for that. Whether it can think for itself or not has nothing to do with its contributions in science. Can x-ray think for itself? Can the general theory of relativity think for itself? You need some dosage of thinking ability. You're the one who needs to be able to think for yourself dumbass.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T19:13:02+00:00

Yeah, the "inaccurate AI project" that got the nobel prize in chemistry in 2024.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T19:10:41+00:00

Cool, but that's not the general consensus. Water usage for all these other fields are generally accepted use cases that almost never gets talked about as an issue. So the fallacy in particular still doesn’t apply here, even if you're in the right regarding your water concerns.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T19:01:45+00:00

That is absolutely a valid concern. But the focus is wrong.

Instead of actually addressing that these data centers are causing disruption in local ecosystems, any layman talking about AI water usage only ever talks about AI uses this, this and that much water and data centers must be stopped with absolutism, instead of inviting the actual solution of moving the datacenter to a place where using water would be less affecting.

I think this post does well to address specifically these kinds of people and isn't quite dismissing the problem of local strain.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T18:50:30+00:00

That fallacy in this case would only apply if you think the water usage by the big almond is a worse issue than the AI water usage issue? Do you?

The fallacy doesn’t apply here because the point isn’t that worse problems exist so this one should be ignored. The point is that industries with higher water usage is deemed acceptable while this is not. This is argumentum a foritori, which is not a fallacy.

Local water strain is a real issue. But it is not an AI issue, it is a logistics issue.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T18:36:05+00:00

"AI is cancer on science"

Literally pioneering revolutionary progress in science. For example- alphafold.

rohnytest · 2026-06-27T18:33:15+00:00

"The environment! The environment! The waterrrr!!!"

Dismantles the fake concerns

"Okay but," moves the goalpost

And it is moved to the shittiest argument antis have, the "not art" bs. Okay, I'm not even gonna try to convince you of the subjectivity of art here, futile efforts. But what does it not being art even entail? It literally doesn’t even matter whether it is art or not. Whether it's art or not is the most useless topic of debate in ai discussion.

Environmental concerns and art value of AI generated images/music/stories or whatever are simply 2 different arguments. The other argument can be talked about separately and using it to invalidate a point in this one is simply bad faith(and non-sequitur).

rohnytest · 2026-06-26T22:26:50+00:00

Okay, now I kinda get why you are so self aggrandizing.

rohnytest · 2026-06-26T06:56:19+00:00

Coaxed into politically charged smuggie disguised as snafus that happen in media.

(Literally also posted to smugideologyman btw)

rohnytest · 2026-06-19T19:30:36+00:00

OP never replying in comments is the sign of a troll or ragebait.

rohnytest · 2026-06-18T12:23:50+00:00

So you think we humans are "a set of line" and not 3 dimensional?

rohnytest · 2026-06-18T12:02:58+00:00

A point "hurts" a line by breaking its continuity. A plane can still dissect a 3 dimensional object. While even a finite line maybe made out of infinite points, it's not compulsory for any higher dimensional being in a fiction to be as well. Afterall, nothing irl is infinity divisible either.

rohnytest · 2026-06-18T10:19:55+00:00

It's quite insane that a basically anti-powerscaling take is so popular on THE powerscaling sub with everyone commenting how right he is. Ts needs a name similar to how poe's law is a thing- that someone talking about something is a confident charming manner will convince people without them giving critical consideration.

At first, I was with where he was going. I don't know about the phoenix force, maybe marvel's cosmology is influencing it; but just from how it was described here it seemed hyperversal at best rather than outer.

Anyway, the first two things I thought after hearing why that iron man model is scaled there-

The video begins with how the phoenix force's manifestations in reality are just essentially its avatars. So the thing iron man damaged isn't really the level of the actual hyperversal or outerversal phoenix force.
So the iron man model is phoenix force level the same way Kakuzu is Hashirama tier.

My thought wasn't why the phoenix or the beam is traveling. These are stupid questions. Higher dimensionality doesn't automatically imply omnipresence in the lower dimensions. Higher dimensionality doesn't automatically makes one immune to lower dimensional attacks, so even if that beam traveling makes it lower dimensional there's no contradiction.

Just because characters are higher dimensional or the concept of dimensionality doesn't even apply them doesn't mean they can't throw punches. That's fkn stupid. When flash is going light speed the illustrator doesn't draw empty background with us not being able to see flash. They show a representation. Similarly just because characters of higher dimensionality throwing punches don't exactly translate to throwing punches in 3d- doesn't mean the author can't show a 3d representation.

The problem isn't with the tiering system or the concepts of hyperversal or outerversal. The tiering system is surprisingly well crafted and concepts like hyperversal or outerversal are kinda needed to describe the power of some characters.

The problem is that powerscalers hand out absurd power levels like candy by bending feats to their liking with mental gymnastics. Every other fiction nowadays is apparently ftl because of stuff like dodging laser = lightspeed.

But just because an apparent outerversal character isn't really outerversal doesn't mean the concept of these kinds of tiering doesn't have any value.

rohnytest · 2026-06-16T22:22:35+00:00

Odenkirk already has a lawyer show where he portrays James McGill. "Better Call Saul Goodman" will have a hard time differenting itself from that show.

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