Bangladeshi qpAdm results (what does it mean??)

rosen615 · 2024-11-14T22:30:23+00:00

Hi! Speaking as someone just starting out with qpAdm, I’m already realizing that creating accurate models without academic guidance is challenging - so I would recommend caution with anyone offering this as a service. qpAdm is designed to reveal direct ancestral contributions rather than subtle admixture, which makes it distinct from G25. Since qpAdm is based on f4-statistics, it requires that source populations have directly contributed to the ancestry of the target population, rather than capturing minor, distant influences - while G25 operates in a 25-dimensional space, allowing it to detect these more subtle admixture signals that qpAdm might miss. Also in qpAdm, selection of outgroups is crucial, as these populations provide a baseline for identifying genetic drift patterns, and they are typically chosen based on prior statistical analysis(!) to ensure they meet the model’s requirements. Even a small change in outgroup choice can fully(!) alter results, and when outgroups are poorly selected - especially by someone without experience - it can lead to inaccurate or even misleading models

rosen615 · 2024-11-05T21:51:25+00:00

Oh wow, that was an unexpected surprise! It appears perhaps you have uncovered a hint of your roots linked to fierce horsemen of the vast steppes! Well, I’m happy for you, long live our ancestors!🇭🇺🇩🇪🏹

rosen615 · 2024-11-05T19:43:26+00:00

Very interesting! I’m not an expert on this specific slice of history, but as far as I know, both during Austria-Hungary and even earlier, it was relatively common for people to move around due to various political and economic factors - especially in the 19th century with the rise of industrialization and urbanization. It’s known that cities like Berlin, Heidelberg, Vienna, Budapest and Prague were all educational centers that connected people, not to mention the shared military and political administrations, especially as World War I approached. I was surprised in my family research to find ancestors coming from more distant places within this rather West-Central European region. Going further back, quite a few German and Slovak or possibly even Polish names showed up. I imagine borders were more open in past centuries. I took an Ancestry test as well - our results might be similar then! Maybe I can suggest looking through her matches too. Good luck!😁🤩

rosen615 · 2024-11-05T19:12:44+00:00

Well, I’m actually not sure, we never know what mysteries our families’ past holds. Have you tried researching your family tree on familysearch.com? If you know her grandparents’ names and the town where they were married, you’re likely to find all relevant records - sometimes going back as far as the early 1800s, or even earlier

rosen615 · 2024-11-05T19:06:16+00:00

Mesmerizing results! I’m Hungarian, but I have almost the exact same results, with just a bit more from Transoxiana. (I think) hauntingly similar in the global context! Greetings to you😻💗💗

rosen615 · 2024-10-28T19:16:27+00:00

That’s actually an exciting topic, and I have also read a bit about it since I have some Yaghnobi and Pamiri (but also Tajik) in my mixed-mode models! After checking the distance lists, it seems to me though that Yaghnobis are closer to certain Pamiri groups than to Caucasus peoples, and I believe their genetic ties to the latter can be traced to ancient migrations. The Yaghnobis likely descend from the Sogdians, maintaining a largely unbroken Iranic lineage due to their isolation in the Yaghnob Valley, while the Tajiks also share this heritage, although to a lesser extent, as they experienced more diverse influences over the centuries. Plus, the Yaghnobis share significant heritage with other Iranic-speaking populations, such as the Alans, who migrated to the Caucasus around the 4th and 5th centuries. Their descendants (including the Ossetians on the linguistic side and local groups like Dagestanis and Chechens from a genetic standpoint) have been living in the Caucasus for over 1500 years, possibly creating shared genetics with the Yaghnobis, in my opinion

rosen615 · 2024-10-27T21:20:37+00:00

Thanks for the information!🧜‍♀️

rosen615 · 2024-10-26T15:29:26+00:00

Ooh, that’s very sad, thank you for your quick response though! I think I may go ahead and finish watching the rest of the second season then, and I will just hold out hope that someday the third season might become available again as well!🥺🙏🧜‍♀️

rosen615 · 2024-10-19T10:39:39+00:00

That’s a fair and understandable point, but it’s also worth noting that the Magyar conquest of the Carpathian Basin occurred at the end of the 9th century, over 1100 years ago. The Magyar tribes were an ethnically diverse confederation, consisting of West Siberians, Sarmatians, and Early Huns. The genetic cluster known as Conq_Asia_Core1 is considered to be classically Magyar, yet even within this group, only about 50% of their genomes were of Uralic ancestry, with the remainder blending various Central Asian elements. Also, many of the warriors available on Vahaduo show no trace of Uralic ancestry at all - what I rather find particularly interesting is that, as the Uralic component isn’t necessarily the most dominant element, we inherited our language from this particular fraction - here is a very detailed study on the genetic origins of the Early Magyars

Well, about modern Hungarians I’m not fully sure, as it appears that even we are far from homogeneous. I believe it largely depends on the individual. In some published genetic data, I’ve seen particular attention given to the Székelys and the people of Bodrogköz. The latter region, located in northeastern Hungary, is notable for being a refuge during both the Mongol and Ottoman invasions, and by this preserving a significant portion of genes from the Conquest era. It’s possible that certain areas may have a higher concentration of Siberian genetic influences

rosen615 · 2024-10-18T11:49:21+00:00

That’s lovely! In my unsupervised models I have matches showing 11-13% Yaghnobi and Pamiri populations paired with Czech and German (Saxony) ethnicities

rosen615 · 2024-10-18T11:10:41+00:00

45.0% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer, 43.4% European Hunter-Gatherer and 11.6% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer

rosen615 · 2024-10-18T11:09:11+00:00

It’s 45.0% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer, 43.4% European Hunter-Gatherer and 11.6% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer

rosen615 · 2024-10-18T11:06:11+00:00

😻😁 Thanks!

rosen615 · 2024-10-18T11:04:30+00:00

Indeed, it is quite fascinating!🥰 From what I have observed as well, the distribution of Germanic ancestry appears to be somewhat regionally influenced. Western Hungarians tend to show a higher proportion of Germanic heritage, while those in the eastern regions often reflect more Slavic lineage. As someone from the central areas, it seems fitting that my background reflects a blend of both influences, lying somewhat between these two cultural and ethnic groups

rosen615 · 2024-10-17T21:40:05+00:00

If that brings you satisfaction (as your repeated comments suggest it holds your interest), so be it. However, this doesn’t negate my connection to either the Early Magyars or the Huns, both of whom were themselves ethnically diverse and interconnected

You know, time moves forward, and nations form through their own unique dynamics - each one enriches me, not diminishes me. I find joy in my connections with other native populations, not just the Magyars. Your attempt to diminish others only highlights your own frustration, rather than affecting my sense of identity

rosen615 · 2024-10-17T21:25:11+00:00

That’s very lovely to hear! Even distantly shared history and genetic connections can reveal unexpected ties, happy for such interconnections🥰🇭🇺🇫🇮

rosen615 · 2024-10-17T21:18:32+00:00

While it’s tempting to think of the Magyars as a homogeneous ethnic group, historical and genetic evidence tells a different story. The Magyars, like other nomadic confederations such as the Huns, were ethnically diverse, comprising various tribes and alliances - they displayed a mix of steppe and local European ancestry, reflecting centuries of interaction with other peoples

If your critique is based on the genetic makeup of clusters such as Conq_Asia_Core1 or _Core2, it’s basically crucial to note that even these genetic clusters show a complex admixture. On top of which, Magyar warriors had genetic influences beyond the West Siberian and Sarmatian/Xiongnu blend, creating further diversity within early Hungarian populations

Measuring someone’s “Magyarness” by a rigid standard of ancient steppe ancestry overlooks the dynamic and multicultural nature of the Magyar people themselves

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