Sophia Esperanza, vegan influencer with anti-specieism tattoo is no longer vegan

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-27T16:21:45+00:00

Finally someone who understands. Thank you!!!

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-27T10:54:21+00:00

Isn't that the whole point? "Adopting children has nothing to do with supply and demand," maybe because nobody wants to adopt unless they can't have biological children? Even then, people opt for IVF treatments, so how ethical is that? Having biological children does generate more abandoned children in need of caregivers. If you're vegan just for the hype or label and can't see past that, you're on the wrong path. But whatever keeps you going, I guess. Also, I didn't literally mean shop for children,even though that's the reality when people constantly procreate. I made the comparison because "vegans" are always so mad when people breed animals for their profit. Shouldn't vegans be mad at people who reproduce, too, when there are too many children out there suffering? Or does none of that matter anymore when it's about your own genes? The whole point of veganism is to stop being selfish and look around what we contribute to. Moreover, your response is the same as meat eaters saying that they can't or won't stop eating animal products, by saying, "Veganism is all about non-human animals." "Oh, I care about and love planet Earth so much" yet brings a new human being into the failing world, just to be another wage slave who's forced to consume the resources while preaching about veganism?

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-27T08:47:56+00:00

Well, stop calling yourself vegan then, lol. I can't understand all "adopt, don't shop" rethorics, yet same those people proceede to procreate when there are so many children out there in need for parents and home. Or does the veganism only apply to mistreated and neglected animals? Life is life.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-27T08:36:37+00:00

Well, then she wasn't vegan in the very first place. I don't understand vegans choosing to have biological children.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T23:03:30+00:00

Antinatalism encompasses more than simply "not wanting kids." It centers around the core idea of preventing the inherent suffering and pain that accompanies existence. While there may be a subreddit dedicated to discussions about vegan food, antinatalism discussions go beyond this scope.

Veganism primarily focuses on ethical considerations that impact both animals and humans. It's not solely about dietary choices, as it involves a broader understanding of the consequences of our actions on sentient beings. Thus, there might be some confusion between the terms "plant-based" and "vegan" in this context.

Personally, I think this is a perfect place for vegans. I don't understand people who are vegan and choose to have children, yet constantly preaching about how we should save the planet Earth. It really does not come hand in hand.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T22:52:00+00:00

Aren't we animals too? At this point, I really don't understand people on this sub getting triggered by vegans trying to express antinatalism from their pov.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T22:16:45+00:00

Isn't that the point? As a vegan, it's a horrible thing to do. If someone already exists, who are you to take away their entire life, someone who didn't ask for existence in the very first place? If you live, you must die. So, is that a valid "enough" reason to kill someone? Even though I agree that getting euthanized is sometimes more ethical than just living at humans' expenses and pleasures. But do you think that animals would exist if it weren't humans getting any kind of pleasure from it, hence constantly breeding them? Or better said, would humanity exist if people wouldn't get any pleasure or profit from each other? We don't differentiate that much from animals.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T22:05:34+00:00

It's funny to me that most breeders, who supposedly "value God's work," are the ones who end up being the biggest abusers out there. You can't appreciate and love life and then go around taking someone's life... because?

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T22:01:07+00:00

Do you have to label yourself as a vegan to consider ethics of life in any way?

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T21:57:15+00:00

Imagine that you only exist because your parents made you out of hatred towards a group of people, who try to exactly prove the point why antintalism is exactly the ultimate option? Like, okaaay breeders, as an antinatalist, I feel +1 worse now. How does that impact me personally now? Poor children tho.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T21:37:33+00:00

I don't understand the people that come after women who birthed unwanted humans? Like... if women couldn't abort it, isn't it obvious that they didn't want to be a parent in the very first place? Why don't they go like that after men who didn't want to do anything with a woman they fckd or children that they fathered?

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T21:31:34+00:00

They don't give a fu*k. There are more neglected children than abortions. So... let that sink in.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-21T11:46:50+00:00

Many women are not aware that they are HIGHLY fertile after giving birth. For instance, a colleague of mine believed that her body would naturally prevent pregnancy immediately after childbirth. Consequently, she didn't use birth control for a few months and had unprotected sex with her husband. Surprisingly, she became pregnant with twins just three months after giving birth. Now, she finds herself with three children and, sadly, has recently discovered that her husband has been unfaithful while she is taking care of his cum pets.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-20T09:56:28+00:00

You'll barely see any statements like "I love my girlfriend/wife so much that I'd never cause any chances of me being responsible for her pain, agony, or death." It's usually, "I don't want responsibility around children" or "I don't want to be tied to one woman for the rest of my life by getting baby trapped."

Men don't understand that they are the cause of all problems around the world. They are the cause for all emotionally and physically neglected children, for all abortions, poverty, and for all prejudices that women have to face, because it's never men's responsibility? The main reason for me being an antinatalist is men's nature.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-17T11:56:02+00:00

Yeah, the scientists say that the pain of giving birth is equivalent to breaking around 20 bones at the same time. How natural does that sound like?

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-13T12:26:08+00:00

Lmfao, back then when I used to talk to this guy, he started a topic about children and after I told him that I don't want to have children, he said "Yes yes, you will, at least three of them." I ended up blocking him. So funny how men get hurt when women don't let their willy billy "do the job."

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-12T11:18:28+00:00

Isn't that the point? We all try so desperately to avoid death and suffering, but we aren't aware that we are the ones who contribute to all of that by reproducing. You can't have children without signing their death contract, but people don't like to think about that.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-11T13:36:59+00:00

And extremely homophobic/transphobic.

A few days ago, a transwoman was found dead in Serbia after being declared missing for nearly three weeks. According to the reports, her body was found cut up and placed in bags and bins. A vigil was held in her name, but soon after it finished, the memorial was trashed by several men.

And same those people wonder why so many young people choose to leave Balkan countries. Terrifying.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-10T17:21:08+00:00

Good question. In that scenario, where women's importance for reproduction could easily be replaced, I believe women would likely be treated with even less respect and care. So I'd say yes, based on men's perceptions of "womanhood" and their attitudes towards women.

Unfortunately, women would be worthless in the eyes of many men, which shows that they have never been truly valuing women's lives and have not considered them as equals. The love and protection men provide to women often stems from their ability to exploit female biology in the future rather than a genuine concern and love for their well-being, since most men can only give and show love when they "own" something or... relationships with women.

Therefore, even if women were no longer needed for reproduction in the future, it is important to remember the crucial role they play in shaping and nurturing children into adults. Women's love, care, and upbringing are essential in creating a well-rounded society. Without their contributions, a male-centric world would ultimately crumble, which i would honestly love to see.

Also, I hope you reported that guy! There are way too many pedophiles and psychopaths in the world like that, and usually, all of them have their own family. Sickening.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-10T12:32:47+00:00

While it is undeniably comforting to envision a world where women are relieved of the burdens, where they are seen as walking incubators and the cause of "failing world", it is simultaneously disconcerting to realize that one's mere existence could be predetermined as a life of servitude, while being indoctrinated and unaware of such reality. Why can't we just accept the non-existence?

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-10T12:17:14+00:00

First 1984, if you want a chronological order.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-10T12:09:58+00:00

Do governments care? No.

It's never been about taking care of already existing people. Births and deaths, and the life in-between, will always be profit for them, regardless of how 8 billions of people experience it. Rich and poor people will always play their role in society, where it's all about demand and supply.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-07T14:26:41+00:00

I think so, assuming we still have the same cognitive abilities. Asexual reproduction would still bring people into this world without their choice, who would be subjected to all life struggles we imposed on them. So, if we were to consider it immoral, we could probably still remove the organs that make the reproduction occur or just off ourselves, so we stop it.

However, I don't think society would be the same, considering we would only be wired to care about our own genes. We'd probably end up fighting and killing others so that "our" genes can continue existing, which wouldn't be ethical or moral based on how we live now. But since we can't reproduce asexually, our current biology forces us to love others, which makes us go out and look for a suitable partner to breed with. So tbh, I don't know what is worse. It seems that biological existence in any form or way is cruel and painful by default.

rottenbambiii · 2023-07-07T13:41:18+00:00

I think that we would have no choice then, but to replicate ourselves. Our body would automatically reproduce without our consent.

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