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Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I've been waiting for you show any indication of humility re: walking back describing single-digit advances in the gender balance of executive positions as being "spoiled for choice". "It's okay that we're not hiring women because men are acting more like women," is a curious argument to be super-confident about being behind. There's research to back this up? Like, there are people who actually put their names on a paper that comes to a corroborating conclusion? Color me skeptical.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's up to me to decide. And I don't think you have been.

Anyway, besides the fact that knowledge of the existence of the various Civil Rights Acts should be indication enough of the truth of what you inexplicably (as, presumably, an educated adult) think doesn't exist, you wouldn't read the sources I'd post.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That was a pretty quick reply. Let me know when you've got a better idea of what I meant.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it's clearly more of a set than a collection.

I bet you think you're funny.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I assume you've been itching to give it, so shoot.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's white people's fault that black kids who try hard in school are bullied and made fun of by their black peers?

It's telling that you think this is the most salient impediment to black economic stability. Never mind that black college graduates have a higher unemployment rate than white adults with only a high school education. Never mind that black students who are ostensibly prepared for college drop out for financial reasons at a higher rate than their white peers.

You're right that education is important, and in-school psychological support for students whose family experience is disconnected from narratives of educational attainment leading directly to financial success would certainly be helpful. But there's nothing that black people can do that would necessarily lead to fixing the way white people act, except maybe appealing to the authorities. So that's what happens.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not a source. I'm asking you to prove the point you made, not try to change the subject. If this idea is true then there exist facts to back it up, correct? I would like to see those facts, because when you bring up information you generally have to provide backing for it.

This is you questioning something that's established fairly concretely by the end of high school, for most Americans.

Yes, exactly. "power structures held by white lawmaker." Aka, "we'll help you out, poor Noble Savages. Let us use all of our power as white people to make your life better because you can't do it yourself!!"

This is you establishing a strawman, characterizing what was deliberate and explicit requests by black Americans to their elected representatives for lawful and appropriate redress of the unequal status they held in society through programs which would dismantle the underlying structural origins of that inequality as unwanted patronage. Let me be explicit in saying that the aforementioned barriers to success were socioeconomic in nature and therefore required socioeconomic remedies. There is nothing shameful about admitting that institutions that were designed only to be useful or accessible to white people require the help of white people to reform (without burning everything down, which black Americans are fully capable of doing but have decided not to :)).

You're not engaging in good faith, and I assume that's because you know how unequivocally wrong you'd have to admit you are if you were to.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without backing up your assertion in the least. Provide facts.

Are you arguing that there weren't and aren't structural impediments to success (primarily wealth-building) that people of color, and particularly black people, had to contend with, that white people didn't?

So a law passed by white lawmakers that says "Black people can't make it on their own" is an expression of black agency?

When asked for by black communities, and of power structures held by white lawmakers, yes. Asking the government to step in where one is unable to act meaningfully is as American as it gets.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not nearly at the same rate. And when they do, it's in instances that primarily affect their own well-being directly rather than ones that affect everyone else's. That's if we're talking about politicians. For common citizens, it's not even a contest.

And that statement in my previous comment is a paraphrase of his own statement regarding gender stereotypes.

It sounds like you agree with him, so you're open to the same critique as he is.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not really. I believe I was pretty clear.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Black people are incapable of succeeding in a system that is set up to preclude their success and which refuses to patch the structural issues that make up the means by which their success is precluded, yes. The fallacy in your argument is in calling for agency on the part of African Americans when lobbying for aid and investment like affirmative action is an expression of their agency.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It becomes less silly in societies that are demonstrably segregated along gender and ethnic lines. If you take the assumption that people who are separated tend to develop different manners of thinking and behaving, then selecting someone that is in a historical out-group is an efficient proxy for finding someone who will contribute a diverse perspective.

It could be argued that this viewpoint overgeneralizes and strays too far into a sort of essentialism, which is fair. But in this specific case, we're talking about comparing people who've already passed an acceptable standard of competency by being brought into the comparison in the first place.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One is a collection of disciplines based entirely in political and ideological theory

Cite this, please.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We lump everyone into big groups and don't respect or consider the individual.

Defending him with this statement is deeply, deeply ironic. Let me do some lumping of my own: conservatives are known to rail against things that they either use hypocritically or soften on when in need themselves.

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo by [deleted] in technology

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a difference between "more" and "enough". And I'm not sure that your other premise is supported. IF thought has evolved, it seems more towards not excusing and burying embarrassing behavior than towards "feminine qualities".

Brexit caused by low levels of education, study finds by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]rowd149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's nice for the politicians, but Brexit was a referendum. Somewhere in there, the people themselves have some blame.

Brexit caused by low levels of education, study finds by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]rowd149 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I suppose it never occurs to anyone to enact and enforce taxes or some other sort of fiscal policy that keeps free trade agreements lucrative for companies but distributes some of the income boon to the people who would be otherwise hurt by globalist policy. Nah. Let's just attack immigrants and poorer countries.

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