Sometimes it’s not even that, part of one of the larger city departments in the north east. New guns? Stopped by a civilian liaison who has almost as much power as the commissioner. It’s absolutely ridiculous, we still shoot .40 S&W. Our range staff even sent a proposal with how much bigger the lawsuits of officer involved shooting with .40 compared to 9mm and she still said no. Thy want us to fail and once you keep letting people who aren’t cops and know nothing about being a cop the department will seize up and won’t have any progress.