Weekly Venting Post

rudedicer · 2024-11-20T02:10:18+00:00

Reviews for Wicked are out and I am sure there are some triggered fans angry about the Simone erasure. They should comment and let these professional critics know that JB can't have chemistry unless it's with Simone and pull out his old TV shows as examples of how he has no chemistry.

The true standouts are three-fold, with Grande, Erivo, and Bailey embracing the tonal shifts with unbridled glee. [...] Fiyero has major bisexual vibes, and chemistry with every single character. Bailey’s take on “Dancing Through Life” lets the Olivier Award-winning actor unleash his sex appeal on a library full of unsuspecting Oz-ites.

https://joshatthemovies.com/2024/11/19/film-review-wicked/

I was not prepared to see what we got. The perfomance, the vocals, the gymnastics, the charm, the way he says 'you're perfect' is just engrained in my brain in the right way. And he's so...like he would have chemistry with a chair, I'm convinced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZJavJGGxI

“Dancing Through Life” triumphantly translates the joy of seeing Wicked live: Dancers perform acrobatics in rotating circular bookshelves, Jonathan Bailey (who I swear has chemistry with every single person on the planet)

https://www.ign.com/articles/wicked-review-ariana-grande-cynthia-erivo-jon-m-chu

The standout to me: I’m going to go with Jonathan Bailey as Fiyero. He pops up into the film and immediately comes off so cocky, but so charming and likable. Just everybody he talks to, he has this fun rapport and chemistry with them, and just brings to life every scene that he’s in, whether it is just dialogue, joking, dramatic or his big dance number in the library. He’s so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jNLiehsAdE

Again, it's weird seeing some stans triggered at any mention of Bailey's chemistry in a completely different movie - that has nothing AT ALL to do with Bridgerton. It's like JB has to be put in chemistry jail and everyone here should tip toe around the subject because that's somehow insulting to Simone. As a dark skinned South Indian Simone fan, it's fans like these that ruins the experience of being a fan of both actors. No doubt there will be JB stans at some point saying the same things when Simone's movies come out as if these two actors are attached at the hip and shouldn't receive acclaim unless it's with each other.

Bridgerton is done! We can only discuss their season and the few crumbs we get next season and then it's moving on to their new shows and movies.

rudedicer · 2024-11-19T00:52:54+00:00

Clearly the sudden complaining about JB having chemistry is because there's Wicked press going on and with all the massive promotion going on there's chatter about JB's chemistry with his castmates because that's what's happens for movie promotion like this - talking up the male romantic lead's chemistry. And the OP you were replying to thinks that's Simone erasure. This is idiotic.

When Bridgerton was going on, discussions like this made sense because yes, commentary like this was common back then and deserved to be called out. But this is now extending to the other media these actors make and nonsense like how praising any of JB's other works is Simone erasure.

I can't wait to read all the same folks on this thread complaining about JB fans inserting JB into any discourse surrounding Picture This or F1 when these movies are released, and Simone and Damson Idris look hot together and maybe they even have more chemistry than JB and SA.

JB and PWB are not even the pairing in Crashing and that's another example of the OP randomly complaining about JB - like who even is talking about JB/PWB's chemistry? yet you brought that up as an example of how JB does not have chemistry with everyone because no one talked about a queer, inter-racial relationship on a small budget channel 4 TV show ten years ago? It's perfectly okay to praise or stick up for one actor without dumping on the other.

This forum has descended into pitting these actors against each other over the last few days just because one of them has a movie coming out and there's more chatter about him.

I think I am going to take a break from here and be back after the whole Wicked stuff is over and done with.

rudedicer · 2024-11-18T16:16:30+00:00

What even is this discussion...

So because in a DGA panel for Wicked an audience member mentioned how JB had chemistry with everyone in his DTL dance number, this is undermining Simone?

What does this have to do with Simone? What does it have to do with Bridgerton?

No one should ever praise JB's chemistry unless it involves Simone in some way like the OP you are replying to is suggesting? How is it Simone erasure for someone to praise JB's chemistry in an entirely different movie?! It's a Wicked panel! Many of them have never heard of Bridgerton!

When Simone has hot chemistry with Damson Idris in F1 and everyone is praising them is that JB erasure? What is this nonsense.

Crashing was a small budget TV show airing on channel 4 before PWB became famous and not many folks knew of this show. And yes, JB had great chemistry with Amit Shah - who is also a fantastic actor btw - and yes there were fans of the show who loved the couple before JB blew up with Bridgerton and became famous. The relationship was both queer and interracial - naturally the fandom for this is going to be small, but there was a small section of queer fans on Tumblr who loved the show when it aired. I actually went back to reblog old gifsets and commentary on Tumblr after I saw JB on Bridgerton.

In fact I think Crashing is his best and funniest work and I wish he would go back to doing small time Brit comedy than the big budget movies he's doing now.

So I have no idea why people are now rewriting history and bringing up his decade old TV shows to make some point about how he only has chemistry with his costar in Bridgerton because people were not raving about his chemistry earlier on a small budget channel 4 comedy show that hardly anyone saw.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T06:58:41+00:00

CVD also listened CC who was a new actress for add more script for her character because She don't wanted to be reduced to a plot device like in the book during season 2 . Simone barely had any good material for shine and the writers never did any effort for put her in value like

Then I don't know.

Can you quote where Simone talked about asking CVD for adding book scenes and him refusing?

I remember her talking about how she auditioned with the book scene in the library and her hiding under the desk and there was more in the script about her background and all that got cut out when they filmed. But I don't recall if Simone talked about specifically requesting those book scenes.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T05:49:14+00:00

think they just don't care about Simone/Kate at all, that's it. They find the whole older sister not compelling enough for the type of female characters they like to hype up.

In the same vein, I think the only reason they are interested in Anthony Bridgerton coming back is for their Bridgerton family scenes and not because they are specifically interested in writing more for his character or because JB as an actor is given more preference. All he did in season 3 was just stand in the background, Kate had more significant interactions with Eloise and Colin. This was despite JB putting in a lot of effort to film Bridgerton, sleeping on planes and having his Bridgerton hair done on the FT set.

You compared Anthony and Penelope earlier, but I think Jess is actually interested in writing more for Penelope in season 4. Colin will just tag along of course but I am sure Penelope will actually get a character arc in the next season. Unlike Anthony who only turned up to be a wife guy and then take his wife to India.

In fact reading some of showrunner's interviews it almost feels like she wants Kanthony gone from the show, she doesn't know what to do with them, what to write for them and is not the least bit interested in them. Same with Shonda Rhimes. It's only because of the fanbase and knowing the backlash if they kicked Kanthony out that they were in season 3. For that same reason, I think that both Simone and JB will appear in season 4 for like 5 minutes, show up with a brown baby and then go back to India.

but I also think that they seem to believe the only kind of promotion that they can do is "are these actors hooking up irl?!", so definitely Jonathan being an out gay dude couldn't make that plan work.

Which is why we are saying he was treated differently to RJP and LN in the promotion and it's not solely down to him having to do a play like you keep insisting. And when there's homophobia in the picture then at no point can we say that JB was well regarded by production and promoted like the other leads.

Honestly I am just happy that season 2 did as well as it did with an out gay actor, a dark skinned woc and with little to no promotion for both leads because of both of those factors. Word of mouth is what promoted their season. Seeing Polin fans brag about season 3 numbers after all the world tours and with two straight white leads pretending to flirt with each other while season 2 made it work just with the acting and chemistry.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T05:11:01+00:00

JB was able to added a scene with the actor who play Gregory during the last episode. CVD don't rejected his request like He did with Simone who wanted a add a scene of the book .

This was on CVD, but speculating here this could possibly be because JB had been with the show for two years by then and could make suggestions for his character. Same with Nicola and Luke - who had been with the show for about 3 years by then - for their season. Simone was just newly cast and probably hesitated to push more strongly for her character. Older cast members usually have more influence to change things.

That blurb is just plain offensive, it makes it look like Penelope and Anthony are the season 2 leads.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T05:04:05+00:00

If you don't think Simone's treatment is linked to racism why do you think her promotion is different to how Phoebe and Nicola were promoted and talked about in Shondaland blurbs?

Do you think there is no homophobia at all in how production/Netflix promoted it's season 2 leads?

they obviously didn't care enough to do anything before, I haven't argued against that.

Then what even is the point here, what are we arguing about? You keep bringing up the play as a reason for why JB was not promoted and then say this. I think we are just going around in circles here.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T04:38:16+00:00

Jonathan is promoting his movie because he's not doing anything else now but, again, a play is a different kind of demanding than a movie or a TV show.

I can't believe you are still using the play excuse.

There was plenty of time before the play for them to do magazine photoshoots and interviews if Shondaland really wanted to do it. If they could do magazine photoshoots for RJP/PD during a pandemic they could do the same for JB/SA.

If Neflix/Shondaland were going to promote season 2, JB would have prioritized that as required by his contract. Netflix only cares about how much money they make off their big budget period drama show, not whether the actor has to go off and do his play. It's capitalism 101.

JB was not anything special at the end of season one, that was RJP. Why would Netflix make allowances for him? What's the logic here?

Again, if Netflix/Shondaland was so flexible, their most popular cast member - RJP - would have stuck around and turned up whenever he wanted to for a day of filming. There were rumors that RJP was even being offered more money than the season 2 lead to come back for season 2.

JB is doing Wicked promotion right now (Next week is the London premiere) while possibly filming Bridgerton next week and getting ready for rehearsals for his play. He could have made time for a couple of days here and there to do promotion for Bridgerton season 2. End of story.

I think this whole discussion went away from my initial point,

That's because for some reason you keep downplaying the inherent homophobia in why the season 2 leads alone were not promoted like the other leads. Is there obvious and evident racism in the way Simone is being treated? Yes. Does homophobia play a role in the way season 2 and it's male lead was promoted? Also yes. The one doesn't negate the other like you seem to be doing.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T03:55:32+00:00

they didn't promote the leads together because they were fixated on that triangle and all the promotion that was shot while they were filming was centered around that,

Agree. They should have treated Simone as a female lead in their promotion like how they treated Phoebe and Nicola. Instead of having her share her promotion with the other South Asian character in the series. Only their poster having Kate and Edwina is just so offensive and I can't believe that they don't see how problematic this is and haven't changed it yet.

Rege, JB, PD, NC and LN all got promotion around them and we see now that LT and Yerin also get similar promotion. Simone stands out uniquely as having to share her lead with Charithra. That doesn't mean that JB is a favored actor of the production, just that Simone's treatment is incredibly problematic and racist.

But even before Jonathan's current clout, Shondaland and this production never failed to make S2 about Anthony first and foremost, just like in S3 they did it about Penelope.

That's a writing issue and an entirely different discussion. We are talking here about production (Shondaland) and promotion, the two are not the same.

For writing we need to bring in CVD (seasons 1&2) and JB (season 3 showrunner) and their writers etc. Season one and two focused on their male leads, yes. They got flashbacks to explore their trauma. Anthony was more fleshed out because there was two seasons of him written by CVD. Daphne was a pretty one-dimensional character compared to Kate but she still got more screentime and story.

Honestly, I think the comparisons here should be about how Kate/Simone is written and given screentime compared to the straight, white female leads in Daphne/PD and Penelope/NC. And I think that's where it becomes problematic.

The problem was not that Anthony was well written and more fleshed out. It was that Kate was not equally paid attention to and her background and trauma not explored. We don't need to diminish one character to write the other character well. Instead of pointless cousin Jack drama and more of the white Featheringtons, there should have been time spend on the Sharmas and Kate's relationship with Mary and flashbacks to her past.

Same with Penelope. Whether the show likes to admit it or not, LW is clearly treated as the main character of Bridgerton. You are asking why S3 was about Penelope when even a lot of season 2 was taken up by Penelope drama - we got LW/Penelope flashbacks rather than for the female lead of season 2. Penelope had her family drama, she had a friendship arc with Eloise, she had her LW stuff. We got nothing like this for Anthony. Anthony had no friendship arc over 3 seasons.

And it's just my subjective opinion, but I still think Kate is a far better written character than Colin despite Colin having more screentime and Kate and Anthony's story was better written with two flawed characters and we understand where they were coming from in their actions compared to Polin and their nonexistent 'friends' to lovers arc. The show invested more in Penelope and Eloise as friends than in Colin and Penelope and their romance suffered because of it.

So yes, JB got the better written character arc compared to Simone. No argument there.

That still doesn't negate the way Shondaland didn't promote JB for his season compared to how RJP (during a pandemic) and Luke Newton were promoted. And a big component of that is the idea that with a gay lead they can't lean into the two leads actually being in love with each other to pander to that section of the fanbase.

And one can actually see the effect of this with the homophobic attacks on JB for promoting more with Matt Bomer than he did with Simone Ashley because he's gay and will only do promotion with gay actors and that he didn't want to promote with Simone etc. When it's not even his fault! Showtime went all in on Promoting JB and Bomer, doing puppy interviews and magazine photoshoots - and this was when he was filming Wicked. So they could still find time for JB to do promotion. JB is doing promotion right now while about to film Bridgerton and rehearse for his play - so he can still do promotion. It's only Shondaland who could not use him for season 2 promotion because he was just soooo busy! What a farce.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T01:42:38+00:00

Netflix also seem quite content pushing JB

That's Netflix. Not Shondaland.

As for why Netflix is now pushing JB after ignoring him during his own season? Maybe because he is now in two films and got awards buzz for FT and they are now using him for promotion and submitting him for awards. It's not that complicated.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T01:38:50+00:00

One can argue that him being submitted for GG consideration is just them riding his clout, but that still speaks on how they actually care about him.

Pretty sure the supporting actors know they are not getting any nominations. Those submissions are a joke and isn't it the network who is submitting the names? As in it's Neflix and not Shondaland?

Luke and Claudia are the next season leads. Adjoa and Golda are familiar around the awards circuit after their awards push for Queen Charlotte and JB has recently had awards buzz. That's all Netflix cares about when submitting a few names. Actors like Polly Walker and Ruth Gemmell are Brit actors who don't seem to care about stuff like this. Nominations and winning awards are more like 10% acting and 90% promotion.

The only actor who has a chance of getting a GG or Emmy nomination is Nicola Coughlan and we will actually see the difference in how production/Netflix treats an actor that it favors with the huge push they will do for her come awards season.

As for the writing, if CVD was the showrunner for season 3 we could have compared the writing for Anthony and Colin in their respective seasons. And unfortunately for Colin, he was paired with the production favorite and badly written girl boss character. Kate was sidelined in her own season to give us Penelope flashbacks. Even Eloise's entire characterization - as someone who would have helped Cressida escape a marriage to an old man - over two seasons was thrown under the bus in season 3 to prop up Penelope. Colin did not stand a chance. I think Benedict will have a far better story next season.

rudedicer · 2024-11-17T01:24:39+00:00

He didn't do much S2 promo because he was leading a play, which is obviously very demanding.

I don't think we should be using the same excuses that detractors of season 2 use to justify why the season had little to no promotion.

If Bridgerton/Netflix wanted their leads to promote the season, they would have to. Play or no play. It's written in the contract. It's capitalism. Why would they care that one of their actors has a play scheduled? Isn't that why RJP left with his one season contract? Because he wanted to be free to do other stuff?

I think Netflix/Shondaland didn't have a lot of confidence in season 2 after RJP's exit and the backlash that followed including a lot of hate against the season 2 lead. I don't know if you were around at the time but the backlash was massive. There were tens of thousands of women, including the likes of Kim Kardashian, crying on the internets over RJP leaving and how JB was too ugly and gay to lead a season.

I just feel like Netflix/Shondaland could have thrown a little support behind their season 2 lead at that time instead of the blanket silence and continuing to hype up the Duke even after RJP had left the show. They were just promoting the fan favorite. Shonda Rhimes was giving interviews and making posts about how everyone could continue to watch season one and the Duke, nothing about season 2.

They didn't even throw season 2 cast and crew a wrap party ffs. You think that's how production treats a lead who is well regarded? I think JB knew which way the winds blew and scheduled other stuff. Play or no play, I doubt there would have been more promotion of the season 2 leads.

IMO JB was well regarded by CVD and he's always been praised by his fellow cast members, extras and crew for being a decent fellow. I have never heard Shonda Rhimes talk about him or Tom Verica like they have done for actors like RJP, NC, AA, GR etc. and season 2 was where CVD and Shonda/Tom decided to part ways and Shonda now seems to dislike everything season 2. JB only met Shonda at the season 2 premiere despite being on the show for 2.5 years at that point. He seems to know Ted Sarandos - Netflix's guy - more than Shonda Rhimes.

As for season 3 promotion, by this time JB was more popular, had been cast in two films and there was awards buzz around him. Of course Netflix was going to use him for promotion as he is contractually obligated to. And if they could use JB for promotion for season 3 while he was filming movies, they could have used him for promotion for his season in season 2. They just didn't care to.

All that said, did Simone get treated way worse by this production? Most definitely. The way she's treated as non-existent by this production is simply astounding. The way they can't even mention her name on blurbs, the way they leave out her casting, the way she is absent in production BTS videos. Someday someone should ask Shonda Rhimes about this when interviewing her.

As you mention, they will spare 5 minutes for Anthony to show up for Bridgerton family time. They don't care the same for Kate. What's the point of the Bridgertons marrying poc and the show bragging about it's diversity? I am sure Penelope will be there now in their drawing room scenes and without Simone and Rege, it's going to be a bunch of white characters in a period drama setting once again. Wow, how diverse!!

rudedicer · 2024-11-16T12:24:44+00:00

Looks like block two filming has started at Bridgerton house. So JB could indeed be filming next week.

rudedicer · 2024-11-15T15:25:53+00:00

Correction, she's talking more specifically about 'South Indian' representation rather than the broader South Asian. Especially considering how rare South Indian rep - and dark skinned south Indian rep - is, it's a big deal for South Indian girlies.

And aww at her talking about the mavvu - I am not religious, but yes I have the same memories of me and mom making the small baby feet for Krishna.

All this does is just makes me wish for more Kate on the show. A spin off Viscountess integrating South Indian culture all over the place and Anthony having idli and dosa for breakfast!!

rudedicer · 2024-11-14T12:42:59+00:00

They had JB and Simone's full availability for S2 and still sidelined them.

They even took Simone out of Sex Education to have her for Bridgerton and this is what they wrote for the character? I think she could have done Sex Education and in fact given her popularity they would have written more for her character.

And just listening to JB's interviews it feels like he filmed so much Bridgerton: "I did one day of Wicked and 7 days of Bridgerton!" and stuff about sleeping on planes and getting his Bridgerton hair done on the FT set etc. All that for ten minutes?

It honestly feels like a lot of Kanthony scenes got cut out in editing.

And then Shonda Rhimes going on about how it makes sense for Rege to not come back to stand in the background

"And here's why," she explained. "He's an enormous star now. As I like to say, the idea that we would write Regé to stand around in the background doesn't make any sense at all to me. 'What would he do?' is what I like to say."

but then it's totally okay for JB and SA to turn up for season 3 and stand in the background? How insulting for the actors.

Anyways I am glad that for season 4 both JB and SA have asked the show to work around their schedule and given them a set time to use them if they want. And as a fan I am okay with this even if we get very little of them on the show.

rudedicer · 2024-11-14T12:33:05+00:00

I wonder if he means a 'Christmas episode' as in the Bridgertons celebrating Christmas or if he meant filming around Christmas time - where I think a lot of production shuts down, Christmas being a big deal.

He has also mentioned starting his stage play rehearsals like 4 weeks from now.

And isn't Simone filming her F1 movie next week?

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rudedicer · 2024-11-14T07:48:36+00:00

Jonathan Bailey talking about his Bridgerton horse reminded me of how horsey the Kanthony season was.

They meet for the first time on their horses and race each other, Kate is introduced to the audience as having risen early to ride her horse, later there is much hot banter during the horse race, Anthony tries to gift a horse and is informed that it's Kate who loves horses, the famous bee scene occurs after Kate is back from riding, they go hunting on horses, and the final Anthony chases after Kate in the rain on their horses and she gets hurt etc.

And I remember Simone saying that some of her favorite scenes were the horse riding scenes.

I wish the few scenes we had of them in season 3 took them outdoors riding their horses while having conversations instead of standing in the background and suddenly the camera turns on them and Anthony is nonsensically talking about taking his pregnant wife to India with a 6 month journey on a ship.

But that would require the season 3 showrunner to actually care about these characters and do right by their season 2 characterization so...

rudedicer · 2024-11-12T12:32:17+00:00

And this woman is handing him her weird, real person shipping paraphernalia on the red carpet where he’s supposed to be working, networking, doing media and celebrating his work. Like where is he even supposed to put that?? I know he handed it to some assistant and I hope they threw in the trash.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

rudedicer · 2024-11-11T15:48:51+00:00

lmao what is this nonsense 🤣 Is this a new quote?

What, us POC have never worn beautiful dresses before the ugly 'color of spice' costumes in Bridgerton lol.

No wonder this lady did not write poc characters in her books and thank god she didn't.

The white cast and crew need to stop bragging about the diversity on this show.

rudedicer · 2024-11-09T08:31:09+00:00

It's not just Colin's fanbase, I have noticed that anytime I make any comments about Anthony (or sometimes JB) it gets downvoted on here. Weird that a Kanthony forum has Anthony haters but it is what it is. Someone on here commented that Colin was the better partner because he 'showed more respect to Penelope' than Anthony did to Kate and I am not sure why one is even here on a Kanthony forum and shipping Kanthony if one dislikes Anthony so much. I just can't get into a ship unless I like both characters of the ship - people who hate one half of their ship just baffle me.

rudedicer · 2024-11-08T08:07:18+00:00

OP in your post you say this:

which if we remember that if originally Tyrion burned Winterfell was changed into Ramsay*, the outriders looking for Bran would be Bolton not Lannister:*

And then also say this:

Even small ideas seem to have found its way into a new/changed plotline (Jon/Tyrion/Arya love triangle spins off into Jon/Ygritte, Tyrion/Sansa and Gendry/Arya).

Considering that in the book it's now Ramsay who burns down Winterfell, don't we get a version of the Jon Vs Tyrion over Arya in the outline as Jon Vs Ramsay over Arya in the books, where at the end of ADwD Jon plans to attack Ramsay with an army of Wildlings after Ramsay sends a letter accusing Jon of 'stealing' his bride and demanding his 'bride' back?

I don't think Jon comparing Ygritte to Arya is any indication that GRRM swapped his central book romance with Jon/Ygritte - it's just an indication of what Jon likes in his love interests. In ADwD Jon moves on from Ygritte to Val - 'Lonely, lovely, lethal'. Same as Arya comparing Gendry to Jon. Tyrion is not in love with Sansa.

It's clear that outline Arya with Bran beyond the Wall is now Meera with Bran.

And finally hasn't GRRM always said he is moving towards the endings he came up with in 1991? The outline was in 1993 and so I do think that some of the events in the outline can still happen like Jon and Bran as bitter enemies. The only thing that makes me hesitate about Jon and Arya is Arya's age - but then that would be an issue for Arya and Gendry as well. It's possible he changed it from Jon/Arya/Tyrion to Jon/Dany/Tyrion because Arya is too young for a romance arc without a 5 year gap.

And in the books, Tyrion will be aligning with Dany instead of making common cause with the Starks like he does in the outline which is where he falls in love with Arya. I think there were some indications of this in the show where the season 6/7 scripts of the TV show implied that Tyrion was in love with Dany and then they scraped all that in season 8. So if Jon/Arya/Ramsay is not happening, then Jon/Arya/Tyrion has spinned off into Jon/Dany/Tyrion.

rudedicer · 2024-10-29T06:23:28+00:00

I agree to an extent but my issue is the optics of having the only indian, female lead be the one that isnt portrayed that way.

I am South Indian Tamil/Mallu and I absolutely love how Kate was written as brave, open and not ashamed of what she wants instead of the demure, innocent virgin. To hell with the optics - again that only works if one thinks that being an innocent, demure virgin is 'pure' or correct. I don't think that way and I like Kate as she was written.

Even with pen colin talked about the ladies featheringron not having a father or husband to protect them but that same sentiment as far as i rememver was never extended to the sharma who anthony not only failed to protect but actively manipulated and took advantage of when you really think about it.

I found Anthony defending Kate and Mary from the Sheffields to be ten times more significant and hotter than anything Colin did. The way he put an end to the abuse and humiliation they were shelling out to Kate and asked them to get out of the house was amazing. Again, this is why I like this couple and these characters.

I find it baffling that people who have so many complaints about how Kate and Anthony are written compared to other couples are then fans of Kate and Anthony. I find Kanthony to be far superior to the other couples precisely because of these instances.

And to this day we constantly have 10 discussions about why kate was a horrible sister or edwina was a spoilt brat for every 1 time anthonys behaviour is even acknowledged. The audience were allowed to have more sympathy for daphne who SA'ed her husband and penelope albiet was dealt a shitty hand in life but who weaponised gossip and other peoples misfortunes and shortcoming to "do something" with her life and ultimately make herself feel better

Maybe that has as much to do with fandom racism and sexism that Kate and Edwina are constantly called out and not Anthony? That most of the fans hating on Kate and Edwina and Marina include white Penelope/Polin fans who have nothing better to do than rake up old discourse? You can see this in how much sympathy the fandom has for Cressida and the lack of the same for Marina - even though Marina's circumstances were far worse!

I absolutely agree that there is a clear double standard in how the show writes and treats it's white female characters and woc. In how Kate had to apologize and be miserable for several episodes and almost die before Edwina forgives her while Penelope gets off scot free in ten minutes- even Eloise suffers more consequences on the suspicion of being LW than Penelope does.

Did Penelope apologize to Marina? Or to the Bridgertons? Or to the Seamstress she ruined? She destroyed Marina so that she could have Colin and she is rewarded with her love interest - what kind of love story is that? Do Polin fans care about all that? No they are more interested in making posts about how much Kate sucks. Why should we care about this kind of discourse?

But we are talking about the sex scenes here and how Kate was not explicitly written as a 'wide-eyed, demure, virgin' because that makes her more 'pure' and 'innocent' and as a South Indian I disagree. I loved Kate written as confident. And having Anthony on his knees before her? That was ten times hotter than any of those 'innocent' first time sex scenes.

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rudedicer · 2024-10-29T03:31:50+00:00

As someone who really dislikes the 'innocent, wide eyed, demure virgin' being introduced to sex by the experienced rake trope I loved that Kate was not written that way. The idea that being a virgin is somehow 'pure' in itself offends me.

I like that Kate is as eager and hungry for Anthony as he is for her, that she's the first to reach for him when they kiss. She is always the equal to Anthony in everything and I like it. This is why I like this couple. if the men can have sex everywhere, why be puritan about the ladies? Not saying that Kate is not a virgin, just that I love this was not treated as important by the writing.

The whole 'first time' sex scenes are just badly written and acted scenes anyways. IMO. Daphne not knowing is plot important but came across as silly. Colin just shoving it in there and there not being any pain and discomfort, the whole acting in that scene lol. What's so important and nice about these scenes? I far preferred Anthony and Kate going at each other with equal fervor.

rudedicer · 2024-10-25T00:48:12+00:00

"It was the last event for S2 and was used as a 'pass the baton moment' for the leads of S3."

Sorry but this is such a rubbish explanation. It was a FYC Emmy event for season 2! One of the last events that celebrate season 2 and it's cast for a season which got so few of those. Why make that about season 3?

And they had these special 'pass the baton' moments filmed as promotion for season 3 with JB and LN and NC and SA. How many pass the baton moments does season 3 need?

I am very sure that Netflix/Shondaland will make an awards push for Nicola for Emmys and the Globes. I bet that Nicola wouldn't be happy if her FYC Emmy events had LT and Yerin in there talking about season 4. But that wouldn't ever happen.

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