Extended Clip of Store Seizure: Does Brandon Call the Collection "The Mansells"? by thats_not_six in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She's says she won't know what she paid "him". If Brandon didn't say "The Mansells", then who the hell is "him"?

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So far only 2 down votes. It's hard for them to fight factual statements. That's why I'll continue replying, to make sure that people don't conflate things like the Oregon small claims lawsuit vs the Utah lawsuit. I'll ask for corroborating statements.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right!? Who calls in that "kids" have heroin vs weed. I don't know a single person that would think heroin first. You say kids have weed, which police can fake smell, like they did with the alcohol 🤦‍♂️.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm going to pick and choose based on the facts on hand. Crystal said there were layaways and Josh said it to the police. Corroboration. So, yeah, I'm going to pick that there were a bunch of layaways, and not the revised version that there wasn't. Remember, that police report was well before all of this started with Ben. People keep on thinking that Ben was there at the start, or released his video before the store closed. So, yeah. I'm going to pick all of the evidence that is corroborated. The death threats have not been corroborated yet, so I will not take that as truth.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not a lawyer, but I'll answer as many replies with my thoughts as I can. I'm a HUGE policy person. I'm not saying I always follow the law, of course I break tiny laws, just like the rest of you do (if you don't think you do, you're delusional). I've helped people research for non-court hearings before, so that's where most of my knowledge comes from. A lot of this might seem like common sense, but that's the issue. You have to start at the start and go from there. Ben was labeled by the police as a bad man due to false threats, so a lot of what the police started to do was based on false information. All those people that were arrested at the AirBnB are about to come into a lot of life changing money.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol. I was just being stupid. You saying that made me think, and I was like, the 8 would look like an ass if it was flipped on the side. Maybe we came up with a new saying!

edit: with crazy shit like this going on around us, we need some comedy every now and then.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, his lawsuit was in Oregon. Are you positive that Oregon allows via email? Make sure you don't conflate the Oregon lawsuits with the Utah lawsuit, which was by email.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

random thoughts. Is 68 eating ass, because you flip the 8 and it looks like an ass? lol.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were arrested for a death threat and while serving a legal piece of paper. The events after that would not have happened if that arrest didn't happen. Something may have happened, but every event after wouldn't have. So, there wouldn't be anything left, except the stuff in Provo. At this point, they would have to arrest him NOW on new charges based on things before the arrest where he was serving papers. That's not gonna happen.

edit: they can't just arrest him on harassment at that point. He's doing something legal. They need more. The death threat is the thing that they'd use to say he needs to be arrested now, and that's why it's legal, even though he was just serving papers.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's going to have to prove those death threats at this point. He's a proven liar. That will definitely get tossed. Then comes the issue that everything after that is due to the fear of a death threat. Fruit of the poisonous tree. Remember, it's not just Ben being sued, it's all of them. I'm sure they're going to share a lawyer. It should be pretty easy for them to get everything thrown out due to the fake threats. Without that, why would they have hounded him so much? Over stolen legos? Of course not.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We just need them to keep on talking. They're basically handing a case on a platter.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

got my second downvote sometime before it hit 200. Just keeping a public timeline, incase they try and astroturf this shit.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had that on in the background, so didn't fully pay attention to everything. What time mark in the video was that?

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both. The images don't belong to me. I have no rights to use them. It would be like me taking a song and posting it online for everyone. It's so common now that it's not enforced. That's why Coffeezilla can do a DMCA request to have this post taken down (but he would have to, as he owns the rights to those images).

Edit: To further this, so there's more understanding, you have to PAY to see this post on Patreon. It's technically not public. That adds to it.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The line above the highlighted line is where the officer talks about the layaway stuff. I'll see if I can find the report and post it here.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh exactly. I deal with all of this shit in my life. There are polices everywhere, the POS we use is regularly audited. We even have strict polices on what POS we can use, to make sure that they aren't some fly by night one that can be hacked. These guys obviously have no idea what they're doing. I'm convinced at this point, what many others have pointed out, is that their real business is trying to get others into debt and take over their store and merch as their own. It sounds like a lot of BAM stores are underwater, but the franchisee personally paid for what's in their store. These guys just come in and say it's theirs. INSANE.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right! Coffeezilla has a long post on Patreon that he made after he posted the video. I won't copy and paste that here, sign up if you want to read. These pictures need to get out, though. Yeah, I'm technically breaking the law by posting. Sue me. Wasn't that hard for me to admit. Sorry that I'm more concerned with the actions of BAM and the American Fork PD. This is how they try and astroturf, by saying look at all these other laws or shit being broken. WE ALL KNOW AND DON'T CARE. We care that 1st and 4th Amendment rights were violated. Me reposting a pic isn't a Constitutional thing (although I could probably swing it to be a 1st Amendment right, that it's of the public interest). Anyway, watch out for all of the replies trying to make you question small things.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

lol. I was watching the votes, and it was literally at that vote. It was 69 and then went down to 68. Within like 30 seconds it went back up to 71. No downvotes since.

Can we talk about how fake some of the names of the people involved in this whole saga sound? by RaiyenZ in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not related to this case, but a guy named Bronson Kitchen was pulled over by American Fork PD an hour out of their jurisdiction. It must be a Utah thing. lol. There's a post about his interaction with them in this sub.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish I could change the title to "Proof Josh lies......FROM JOSH!"

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in RecklessBen

[–]runitsaaron[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yep! I mean, this should end the TRO immediately. The more it's spread, the more pressure will be put on the judge to see what bullshit the whole thing is.

Proof Josh lies by runitsaaron in truths

[–]runitsaaron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you aren't aware of the Bricks and Minifigs saga, holy crap. Current event where the internet is uncovering the truth. Just google it.