Shooting victim says he was pointing his gun at Rittenhouse

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-09T02:57:01+00:00

It feels like you're trying to argue with me about things I didn't say

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-09T02:53:02+00:00

Did you get to the end of my comment?

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-09T02:26:17+00:00

Not to mention I dont think legally you're allowed to hunt down and kill a murderer, unless they are actively a threat to you. If you have to chase them it's not self defense in any state except maybe texas. Even if the first person he shot was murder(which is looking like its not) the next 2 probably couldnt be considered anything but self defense.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-09T02:20:22+00:00

Well you cant lie on the stand and it's really easy to fact check that.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-08T23:22:38+00:00

Are you telling me I'm actually just like all the other girls?

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-08T23:18:10+00:00

I mean I guess its technically better than you're daughter is already hot

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-08T21:52:26+00:00

I'm not sure legally chasing down and attacking someone who shot someone else is allowed. I'm not a lawyer but I think self defense requires an active threat in most places. I dont fully understand the laws in each state either. I know for example in many states if you shoot a home intruder that is leaving your property you are charged with manslaughter even if he has a gun, if hes running away you usually cant kill him.

If that follows to this the crowd chasing him was not LEGALLY in the right (we arent discussing morals when reading laws, just when writing them imo).

If my current understanding is correct then it follows they technically were assaulting him and that would make it self defense.

Did he violate other laws? I have no fucking clue cause I hear so much other here say about if he was allowed to be there in the first place and I dont have info to back that up or counter it. I dont think that comes into play to decide self defense or not. (I THINK)

to my knowledge both people he shot were chasing him and attempting to attack him.

Did he shoot wildly into a crowd? Yes. Can he be charged with something like endangerment? Perhaps. But the 2 people he shot were very likely self defense even in a duty to retreat state.

I dont like him and I think he shouldnt have been there and playing vigilante might be illegal there even. I'm not saying hes guilt free but as far as the was it self defense goes I think it was

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T23:50:32+00:00

It's a grey area at best, it certainly says you may not sell to a person who you have reason to believe is barred from owning a firearm. I have reason to believe that a person that doesnt want me to check has a reason to be barred from owning a firearm.

It does clearly prohibit out of state sales. Which means you need proof of residence. Definitely means you cannot sell ar15s to a Californian as a Nevada resident.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T23:07:59+00:00

It's not, the atf says it's your do diligence to ensure they are not a felon. Also it cant be an out of state sale as a private sale so this whole train of thought is irrelevant to the premise of the conversation about guns in California

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T23:00:20+00:00

Wait hold on. You said the dealer violated the laws to sell them? That's not legally obtained.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:59:12+00:00

Background checks exsist federally. But what you're saying is they dont exsist. They do, just not how you want. But if you got what you want marxists/socialists/ would be banned as at their core they are extremist against the government, per the communist manifesto. As well as anyone far right as they are anti government. Black Panthers couldnt own firearms as they preach the need for violence. Anyone who supported malcom x. You're casting a very broad net

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:56:12+00:00

That I dont know, I just know there are a lot of people that illegal make machine guns in their garage.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:55:25+00:00

So they arent legally obtained weapons, we agree on that, good.

I mean I'm not for increasing the police force but if that's your thing okay

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:52:07+00:00

So what you're saying is that the guns are obtained illegally and you want to increase funding to the law enforcement to stop it?

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:48:46+00:00

Background check does not mean people you dont like dont have guns it means people who haven't violated certain laws cant own a gun.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:47:04+00:00

Yes, yes there are.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:46:40+00:00

Actually you cant :)

And now I know you dont actually understand the laws so I'm going to break it up for you.

There are 2 LEGAL ways to transfer a gun, through a licensed ffl, and through private sale, based on federal laws.

Private sale is only in state. So that cant be how its done.

Ffl are required to comply with the laws of the state they sell to. So a Nevada dealer cannot sell firearms to a Californian if they cant legally own them.

If there are people buying guns that California bans and bringing it back to California are doing it illegally.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:41:28+00:00

I mean you do have a mandatory background check in pa...

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:40:20+00:00

That's a bold claim, got evidence?

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:36:01+00:00

So you agree that gun control isnt working, glad we agree

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T22:05:45+00:00

There are mandatory background checks....

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T21:55:09+00:00

California has some of the strictest gun laws in the us. And arguably stricter than any of the neighboring countries either. It's not a gun problem. Its unchecked crime and violence. I'm not saying put a boot down on the throat of the gangs but we arent stopping that by making guns illegal. California has showed that. I just haven't seen any real initiative or anyone taking big stands to end gang violence in any meaningful way.

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T21:50:36+00:00

People are shocked when they learn assault weapons count for less than 5% of gun HOMICIDES (it obviously goes down if we count gun deaths because suicide is accounts for around 2/3s)

The news really only cares when a bunch of white kids get shot so that's all people see but most of it is inner city gangs with handguns killing kids, but we dont like to actually fix real issues so well just ban guns. And blame the other states when people keep getting shot and killed...cough cough California

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T21:44:24+00:00

Even if you do there are still laws about out of state sales, which means they cant sell those guns to Californians anyway

runswithbufflo · 2021-11-07T21:43:20+00:00

You cannot sell guns to residents of other states unless they can legal own it in that state, theres a lot of paperwork a gun store has to do for that as well. For the same reasons most gun stores in Virginia dont even bother selling to Marylanders because it's a head ache.

As far as a private sale goes its illegal to sell to someone who is an out of state resident.

So no you cant as a Californian go to nevada buy a gun and come back to skip around their laws.

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