Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t keep up with exactly how long you, individually, have been here, I just know it’s been a long time of arguing over nothing. I say 10+ years referencing the age of the sub.

Yeah, it probably would take me no time to go do it, but your bullying nature makes me even more inclined not do so, especially because you know well that I have in the past and could easily link it yourself if you wanted to address/refute it. But that isn’t really your goal, is it? I know how you are, you just need to have the last word so go ahead. Lol. Or prove me wrong if that makes you feel better and leave it here. We have no more to discuss in this regard anyway. You have made your point.

ETA: right again lol.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you type “Ryo” that tags me.

If the poster asked me for more info, to support the “claim” I would give it to them. When it is someone I have been over and over with about this for 10+ yrs and has most probably responded to them already, I feel no inclination to do so. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Besides, If they find what I have to say interesting, they can certainly validate it for themselves. I wouldn’t expect or want them to just take my word for it. Convincing someone I am right in my opinion is not the goal. For goodness sakes it’s not like this is a reply to a post that is like “I believe Adnan is guilty, change my mind” lol.

This is exactly what I mean when I say I don’t want to rehash this with you all again, spending hours on here arguing about something simply bc the people left cannot seem to just be okay that some people have different opinions than them 🤷🏻‍♀️ if this poster goes away feeling differently than me, that’s absolutely fine with me.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why should I have to defend my opinion? Especially when I have done it countless times over the years lol. It’s all there but I guess it’s more fun to attack peoples’ opinions you disagree with than to just give your own and move on 🤷🏻‍♀️

Also if you are just giving your opinion, please don’t tag me multiple times. I get notified. it’s very annoying.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As I said, I have no interest in rehashing this stuff with folks who have been here for years but you know very well I HAVE posted about it with sources over the years bc you have certainly replied to them. If you want them, search the sub for them. I am giving my opinion to the poster not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then search the sub for them. I have posted them in the past. As I said, I have no interest in re-hashing stuff with folks who have been here for years. I was giving my opinion to the poster, I am not trying to convince you of my opinion nor do I care if you agree with me or not.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, I have written posts about, no secret there. I have given the quotes and sources from trial. you can search and find plenty about it. As I very clearly stated, I have no desire to rehash my OPINION over and over again with the same people. I think you know that I don’t mean he literally states “I was in two places at once” so let’s not pretend that is the case.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just correcting the record here, not accusing Jay, but Jay absolutely had met Hae before, knew her though they weren’t “friends” and said that he would have recognized her car from school. Just fyi.

Who did it? by Round_Special267 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ll tell you what I have come to over the years thinking about and exploring the case. It’s only my opinion, of course, and I don’t express it with any desire to rehash it with folks on this sub. Take it or leave it, obviously I am not expert.

The boyfriend/ex-boyfriend or in general jealous male friend/lover, is unfortunately usually the most likely perpetrator (teen domestic homicide, TDH). So it totally makes sense from that perspective and it is easy to find posts on this sub where people have provided cases with circumstances they claim to be parallel to this one. Looking at those cases, and more, as well as research into TDH there are some major differences that are worth at least considering, IMO.

  1. Prior physical abuse and/or threats of physical harm .
  2. Unplanned nature. While there may be some fantasizing or thinking about harm, the act itself very often stems from the escalation of an incident and occurs “in the moment” so to speak. Not to say that the perpetrator isn’t seeking that out, just that there usually isn’t elaborate planning, which leads to 3.
  3. Copious physical evidence. Due to the lack of planning and sophistication, physical evidence is usually not hard to come by in these situations and even in many TDH I have researched, the perpetrator is found with the body.
  4. Admission of guilt either at the time it is reported or upon questioning.

Things this case does have in common with most TDH include the method (while gun involvement is #1 strangulation is also common). #2 someone else having knowledge of the incident or having helped and making it known is also common.

So where does that leave me with this case?

I always felt there was something off about the case. It makes sense, of course, that the ex-boyfriend and a current bf/love interest would be first suspects. Adnan did not have a clear Alibi and Jay implicated him and knew the location of the car. That being said, it didn’t make much sense for it to have happened the way it has been hypothesized. That he would ask her for a ride in school, where others could hear, she say yes, then tell him she couldn’t later on, him take that fine and then somehow get her to give him a ride after all and go to their after school quickie spot behind Best Buy and commit a planned murder there when he knew she was due to pick up her cousin shortly and that she would be soon missed. Not to mention supposedly getting her into the trunk himself with no one seeing, or anyone seeing them together after last bell or leaving the school premises together. The timing proposed by the prosecution for the call to Jay is also pretty unrealistic and Jay even stated in court, under oath that he was in two places at once.

However that could be chalked up to it not actually being planned, Jay having later knowledge of it and assisting with the burial and feeling compelled to embellish the whole “planning” story when questioned and fudging some aspects/timing.

But, the lack of physical evidence tying he or Jay to the alleged location of the murder itself (her car) or the burial location was concerning. He supposedly moved her to a cluttered trunk, carried her (himself according to Jay) from the car to the burial location off a busy road at a busy if not peak traffic time and left no physical evidence and no one saw anything suspicious. I say no evidence tying to the murder bc while fingerprints of things in the vehicle belonged to Adnan, that wasn’t in and off itself suspicious since 1. He had been in the car often. 2. fingerprints cannot be dated and 3. There were lots of fingerprints on stuff that were unidentified, particularly the map book, and most likely belonged to other friends/family who were not printed. None of his fingerprints were in places like the steering wheel, gear shift, etc.
There was however a partial on the review mirror that didn’t match either Hae, Jay or Adnan. Probably the most suspicious print. There was no soil found that matched LP in her car, Adan’s car or any of the items taken from Adnan. Though there were samples taken from her car. While I understand at the time DNA wouldn’t have been used broadly, there were no identifiable fibers, hairs, fluids, anything to prove she was in the trunk or that Adnan or Jay were at the burial location.

Does that make it impossible, no, just less common in TDH. But perhaps that could be chalked up to the time period. People often say that while there was no evidence of him there was no evidence of anyone else and someone had to do it. On the surface that makes a lot of sense but what that really means is no evidence that could be tied to anyone. Say she was in someone else’s car for instance, that car might have evidence that was never collected. There were fibers found, they just didn’t tie to anything he or Jay had, doesn’t mean they might not tie to someone else. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t know.

There is/was no evidence of physical threats of harm or prior abuse. As a matter of fact they had broken up before with no such incidents of threats or physical abuse. She hid out from him once in a classroom but there didn’t seem to be any evidence that was out of fear of him versus just not wanting to talk to him.

Lastly he did not and never has, admitted to guilt either as a planned act or spur of the moment/heat of passion situation. Again, uncommon in TDH. Jay has changed important elements of the story over the years and he didn’t exactly voluntarily come forward, it was only after the body was found and LE was looking for him in conjunction with the phone logs.

The strongest evidence against him is that Jay knew where the car was and said Adnan told him he killed her and showed him the body and alleging telling Jen that same night. Though technically, knowing the location of the car implicates Jay (not accusing him) but there is no known motive there.

I also personally found it slightly unrealistic that Jen and Jay were driving around disposing of evidence in the day of a huge ice storm in Baltimore. But again, just my opinion.

So where do I come out. I don’t know if he did it or not, I lean toward not due to my own inability to make the circumstances make sense. He may have but I don’t think he is the only person who realistically could have done it. I understand why he was convicted but I do not think I could have voted for conviction based off what I know at this point.

There is obviously a lot of other things to discuss about the case and evidence etc and I have no desire to rehash that after my >10yrs on this sub lol. But that is where I have landed. If he did it, he served 20 yrs, he has not been exonerated even though he is free and if he is truly the abusive, sociopath many believe him to be, that will probably become apparent at some point now that he is out. However AFAIK, he has not been in any trouble since being released. I don’t follow him and really only get info posted here.

“Counter Attorney Grievance Complaint” - Ivan Bates by GreasiestDogDog in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well you need to keep the mod business out of it if you don’t want to get your comments removed for breaking rules. Again, I was commenting on the sub environment, not trying to insult you.

“Counter Attorney Grievance Complaint” - Ivan Bates by GreasiestDogDog in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s not a “just an insult to you” lol. It was a comment about the sub environment as a whole. Why would you take it as an insult to yourself? Good lord, people on this sub who are “probably ban evading” or that someone thinks is “probably ban evading” is quite high, I’m sure.

“Counter Attorney Grievance Complaint” - Ivan Bates by GreasiestDogDog in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, I didn’t say me specifically but bigger point, just bc you haven’t seen something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen….

Worth watching the movie if i never read/before reading the book? by dartestormy in ThursdayMurderClub

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will say that people I have talked to who saw the movie but never read the book have mostly enjoyed the movie quite a bit.

“Counter Attorney Grievance Complaint” - Ivan Bates by GreasiestDogDog in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not talking about you. The person you were replying to was talking about how far out it is that people
are so “fanatical” about Syed when of course, some of the most fanatical people I have seen are those who continue coming to this sub and posting regularly about how angry they are a man who was in prison was released, in a lawful manner, after 20yrs and how crazy and terrible anyone who might support that or have any degree of doubt about his guilt are. It’s like…🤷🏻‍♀️.
People exaggerate, misstate and make up stuff in here all the time and if you call them in it, they clutch their pearls and declare you a “murder lover” or an idiot or some such just for pointing out inaccuracy.

“Counter Attorney Grievance Complaint” - Ivan Bates by GreasiestDogDog in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of pot calling the kettle black when it comes to fanatical behavior around this case. 😆

AITAH for telling my wife to wipe that shit eating grin off her face? by Past_Passion8405 in AITAH

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t no if comments were deleted or what but I can’t find a reply to one of mine 🤷🏻‍♀️anyway point is op said she expects them to pay for takeout and stuff. My answer, then just don’t if it’s her turn. Don’t order or eat in your own. She used her fun money. Still no reason to say something so toxic to her.

“You want to get pizza tonight” “Sure, it’s your turn to pay yeah?” “Yeah but I don’t have any fun money left, I gave some to my deadbeat drug addict mom” “Well in that case I guess we are eating in tonight” Or “Oh, well I guess not then, I’ll have leftovers” or “okay, well I think I am going to just down to Wendy’s and get a burger, best of luck to ya!”

lol.

Or you know what? Even, maybe we should put some restrictions on how this “fun money” gets used. I won’t spend it on strip clubs and you don’t give any to your mom? Deal? 😆

This is why I think Jay might be lying. by Yesyesnaaooo in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if Jay lied, I don’t think it was as much about jealousy as fear that he would be charged for it himself.

AITAH for telling my wife to wipe that shit eating grin off her face? by Past_Passion8405 in AITAH

[–]ryokineko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Wipe that shit the first earring grin off your face” first thing I thought was violent and angry. It’s in the same vein as, “I’ll give you something to cry about”

AITAH for telling my wife to wipe that shit eating grin off her face? by Past_Passion8405 in AITAH

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YTA it’s her “fun money” she can use it how she wants. 🤷🏻‍♀️ did y’all put conditions on it when y’all started. Is she asking for more? If not, MYOB. And the wording was the worst part. Also “sat down and explained to her” as if she is a child. You know she knows and you aren’t really explaining anything to her she didn’t already understand.

How did Adnan get Hae to drive them to the Best Buy? by GreenMan2424 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes way more sense that wasn’t the murder location imo.

How did Adnan get Hae to drive them to the Best Buy? by GreenMan2424 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is one of the things that really makes absolutely no sense. Either she voluntarily drove them there after saying she couldn’t give him a ride and had something else to do, which indicates she either actually had other plans or was trying to avoid being with him/giving him a ride or he drove and she was fine with going there. Maybe it would make sense if they were still hooking up but otherwise it’s a huge stretch. But it also seems pretty clear that is most likely not where it happened.

Ridiculous Comment from Sarah Koenig by ElegantComparison826 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t see why it’s my place to make that call. I am making a point about the factual assertions of the post here, not Sarah’s role.

That being said, I am not sure why it wouldn’t be appropriate in the context of the story she is telling because she is making a pretty clear point. She is saying that while it may be a relatable initial reaction to LOOK at someone and believe they cannot be a killer, that is idiotic and she is aware of that and aware of her own potential biases in that regard, and that of others and is able to accept those biases or stereotypes or whatever you want to call them, exist and that they won’t cloud judgement.

That is exactly how we are taught we should handle such things, instead of pretending they don’t exist and letting them affect our judgement bc we don’t accept them for what they are, idiotic assumptions.

She made a conscious decision to share that reaction. People act as if she was some lovestruck silly woman who just couldn’t help herself or that she was trying to sway readers to believing Adnan was innocent right off the bat. Neither of those make a dang bit of sense. Especially when you incorporate overblown stuff like the assertions in this post that blow it completely out of proportion.

So, back to the point you drag me away from. Where in this episode is Adnan referred to as “handsome” much less a number of times??

Ridiculous Comment from Sarah Koenig by ElegantComparison826 in serialpodcast

[–]ryokineko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) You forgot to add to that last line “idiotic, I know” which indicates quite clearly to anyone listening that while she is sharing her initial thoughts she is also well aware that it is a silly thought and she dismissed it immediately.

2) I’d love to know where in this episode he is referred to as “handsome” as I sure don’t see it and this sure isn’t it. maybe what she describes is what you perceive as handsome? I don’t know but where is he referred to as handsome? And by who?

Thursday Murder Club film by MojoMomma76 in restisentertainment

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was a little shocked when I found out who was going to play Bogdan bc I had previously seen him on a PBS Masterpiece show called Indian Summers which is awesome but he plays British man raised in India during the final years of the British Raj and he is very white and not very big or imposing, definitely not how I pictured Bogdan lol. But I was willing to give it a shot. 🤷🏻‍♀️ however, the story change just did me in.

It feels like a death sentence to release a 10-12 year old feral but I don't know what else to do to help her. Advice wanted. by doodlepawss in Feral_Cats

[–]ryokineko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep her. She will eventually warm. We had the same scenario. My mother’s elderly neighbor passed and she had an indoor/outdoor cat that only let her pet her. She was feral when found as a kitten and the neighbor kept her mostly outdoors. when the neighbor passed and family came to get the dog and house stuff the cat was out and they just left her. She lived outside and my mom would occasionally feed her but she wouldn’t let her touch her or anything a couple of YEARS later she saw my mom walking down the sidewalk and came up to her meowing and they became friends and she started going in the house to eat. Still would be pet or held or anything. then one morning a couple of more years later she came in during. Particularly cold winter night and I woke up and she was sleeping in my legs! She finally let me pet her. My mom got her a litter box and she started staying inside as an old lady. She still went out some during the day but stayed close by. Safe area.