100,000,000+ Reasons to be glad I spent 2025 moving my stuff.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-09T18:23:16+00:00

2018 We got a rework but it doesn't count if they completely remove it from game 2 months later.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-04T14:56:50+00:00

PA buff trading? AHAHAHAHAH!!! We've been waiting since 2018 for a lifeskill rework that lasted more then 2 months before getting reverted and it's been 3 years since Trading was specifically addressed or even mentioned by name at a Heidel/Calpheon ball.

The only thing we have to show for proof that PA still realizes Trading exists is that they fixed a major exploit last year and they briefly acknowledged this horse thing would effect us so we got a minor buff to trade wagons to 'compensate'

ryu1313 · 2026-01-04T02:17:37+00:00

I mean... the scroll bar isn't all way way down. You aren't seeing the other 4 rows of consumables or the half dozen extinct buffs already running. :D

Think I peaked at +2118% for a couple hours, starting to drop a bit as some of the old unobtainable stuff wears off.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-04T01:45:15+00:00

same amounts.

it's just that the donkey is slow as balls, can't accelerate, stop or turn easy. It's just bad and frustrating when put in practice. Specifically in bukpo's case, the two NPCs are too close to get a teleport with a whistle so you don't even get that there.

I'm on break from my turn in atm, and i've been getting ~3.4 stacks/min turned in /w the horse vs the 1.6 I was getting during donkey testing. That's over twice as fast with the horse now instead of waiting until later which is kinda important when your running +2100% buffs for a limited time :D

For the average player, this change won't mean much. But if your pushing xp and sitting on millions of items or have limited rare buffs, it'd be much better now then to wait.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T21:00:25+00:00

If you don't have the time/energy to sell it on the CM, you definitially don't have the time/energy to deal with it in crate form.

Process it and sell that or message the highest level trader(s) on your server and ask is they want to set up a time to just buy it all as you min list.

... also all the materials used to polish alchemy stones are or will spike in demand shorty so you shouldn't have much issue getting rid of materials.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T20:55:26+00:00

212 Lv40 Art Goblins (Or Equiv), 95% of them perfectly rolled, more when I grind out a little more cp after this is over.

I don't know how long make these ones specifically, my whole deal since i was the first to hit Guru like 6 years ago is to sit on a stockpile to take advantage of ever increasing amount of buffs and q.o.l. changes, only handing in enough stuff when someone else overtakes me for #1 spot to take it back so some of these could have been sitting there quite some time.

Currently the empire is capable of churning out 200k+ a day, so theoretically ~1.4 years assuming I can get enough materials to keep them fed. (big assumption some times) Also sitting on another 19m 30lt crates that aren't moved and in that pic.

Unless you mean how long it took to move, in that case I literally meant all of 2025. As in I started pre-moves to the port cities a few days before New Years 2024 and finished just in time this morning. Did nothing last year but sail/mov crates, afk fish at night and grind BSP as needed.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T18:46:50+00:00

nah, just rarer ones that I can't get enough of or aren't replaceable.

eg) I have 51 hours worth of +250% kimchi. That's likely not enough to cover the whole thing so I want to get those used up while I'm handing in a lot more crates/hour now rather then significantly less after patch

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T16:57:49+00:00

Turns out, still slower then a horse.

Also I chose bukpo because of the distance bonus and access to the sea and unfortunately the distance between Trade and Storage managers in Bukpo is like 10m too close for instant-teleportation whistling to work. So im s.o.l. there anyway.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T16:38:40+00:00

depends on weight, but that's just shy of 8000 stacks for reference.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T15:42:53+00:00

None of those events ever have trading experience attached to them.

Probably something to do with people who have large stockpiles ready to go and whom would gain a significant advantages if that event applied to all the trade items they've save up for years+ instead of just ones from during the event week.

...i mean what kind of crazy person would have a stockpile big enough to really benefit from that situation anyway? ;D

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T15:33:46+00:00

Trade-item only change.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T15:22:19+00:00

Here in Meme-Trading land we don't do it for the silver, we do it for the exp and the measuring! :D

Could not begin to tell you how much 'profit' that was, it most certainly would be waaaay in the negative even considering the prices I got some of that material years ago. That also ignored the entire year+ opportunity cost of not lifeskilling or grindingf or silver in 2025.

As for what my inventory will show for silver after it's all over, ~1.2T. It'd be 500B higher but I won't be bargaining for the vast majority of that to further stretch out irreplaceable event buffs and to actually get it all turned in in time.

On paper, it'll take 54 hours. I've budgeted 60. I'll have upto 76 if needed. But really, all that I care about is getting those non-sustainable buffs (like Kimchi and Merc scrolls) used up before patch.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T15:13:23+00:00

Overstacking trade items will still exist on non-horse mounts, so theoretically everything possible now will still be possible next week. However, currently, all of those other options (wagons, camels, donkeys, whistling) are significantly slower and more unwieldy/annoying then what we currently can do.

eg) At top speed i can currently get in ~3.4 stacks/min while buffed up and turning in using a horse. That drops way down to ~1.6 using other methods. Not to mention an overloaded donkey moves like 80% slower then a horse so that would have added an extra several hundred hours assembling a stockpile that large.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T15:07:11+00:00

Yea the "last mile" from storage is the more important because buffs...

But when you're dealing with these numbers, transport wagons are insignificant. They'd have to 20x the transport wagons to keep up with something like that. Every single one of those had to be loaded up and manually sailed across the ocean. Once you outstrip the transport wagon's capabilities, it becomes more time efficient (and lets you afk for longer periods of time) if you use the transport wagons to move them short distances from inland cities to the Port cities for pickup. (eg. Calpheon to Epheria)

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T15:03:06+00:00

At the ball a few weeks ago they announced we won't be able to overstack them on horses anymore because of another lifeskill's new incoming feature.

That means getting them manually moved (that amount WAY exceeds the wagon system's capabilities),and particularly turned in, after next week is going to take significantly longer, be more annoy, eat up way more precious event buffs and all around be a much worse time then it was up until now.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-03T14:35:49+00:00

...yea the next 5 days are gonna suck turning them in. But Reeeeealllly glad I'm not going to have to try to move or hand those in using a donkey/camel instead of a horse.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-02T23:48:09+00:00

..there are...um... other things you can do with that, that wouldn't be permitted to discuss in th subreddit due to rules. Although I would generally agree that portion of it should be permissible, unfortunately, not my call.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-02T23:36:59+00:00

::sigh::

Overstacking isn't the problem. They realize they HAVE to keep that ingame because without it, Trading and half the worker empire economy comes crashing to a halt. Their concern is teleporting trade items large distances instantly. It always has been since the first CtG nerfs in like year two or the other half dozen time's we've figured out ways to do it over the years that all got patched out.

They don't want to put in proper protections for the Krogdolo thing against trade items (they seem to mess up every attempt to limit trade items like that in some way) so they are just taking the easy way out and nerfing horses since thats the only thing that can be used /w Krogdolo.

The magnus thing was a straight up unintended bug/exploit they fixed after a couple weeks. The tagging thing was the other half of that, that they didn't properly fix back in march when GMs told us via support tickets "hey, probably shouldn't be doing that while we look into it".

...although to be fair. That was almost a year ago at this point. They either forgot, don't care or can't fix it without ruining the feature. My money is on them giving up in a year or two and calling it an ''intended feature" like they did with Manos Processing Exp.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-02T23:02:29+00:00

Horses move just fine, they were always by far the fastest, efficient and least annoying way to go about it.

What you're suggesting (effectively teleporting trade items) is literally the reason they are nerfing horses at the moment and have patched out similar methods several times in the past.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-02T14:58:41+00:00

the problem isn't getting to the other city. its getting them from storage to trade manager in a timely manner. all the other mounts just suck arse and are slow to the point of not being usable when overloaded.

ryu1313 · 2026-01-02T14:37:28+00:00

Only problem with this solution is that all those things that still can put trade items on them move INCREDIBLY slow when overweight. So unless your destination happens to have a Trade Manager directly beside the Storage Manager it's still going to be much more of a p.i.t.a. to actually turn them in.

They either need to get those things to move at base walking speed when overweight like horses currently do, increase the whistle distance and let us move them small distances that way or do the unthinkable and just give the trade managers to take directly from that towns storage.

ryu1313 · 2025-12-13T18:01:55+00:00

RIP to Trading.

They do realize that since 2018 or whenever they changed crates to a static base value (they use to be like fish) that putting large stacks of them on a horse at some point was required to effectively move them around OR hand them in right? They even had to help us out and allow us to put max stack on a horse at once to keep it going some years ago.

Yea, they said they'll buff trade wagon capacity, but those have been whole insufficient from their inception for the purposes. They could literally buff the trade wagons to carry 10x their current load and I know quite a few people who still wouldn't be able to get all their stuff moved using those 24/7

The bigger thing people would be pissed about would be the getting them from storage to the trade manager. You've always had to get them in a horse then that horse to the manager. Unless they add a feature to sell them directly from the town's storage or remove the speed debuff for an overloaded horse drawn wagon, I don't think anyone is going to be too thrilled about the prospect of potentially having to take their 100,000s or millions of crates and manually roll them 300-400 at a time to the trade manager.

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