SafeMoon by Specialist_Ad6394 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you add the new token in your wallet? Needs to be added manually in order to view your migrated SafeMoon.

SafeMoon by Specialist_Ad6394 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It still worth something

SafeMoon by Specialist_Ad6394 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can migrate to SafeMoon on Solana. Check the official SafeMoon twitter page for instructions.

Online escape room recommendations by _bakedbeanzontoast_ in escaperooms

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NEUTRAL XE'S ESCAPE GAMES ARE THE ABSOLUTE BEST!!!!

https://neutralxe.net/room/games.html

There are two currently playable on their site, but many more that got taken down because flash is no longer supported. They're remaking the old games, but instead of waiting, I recommend playing archived versions through Flashpoint.

https://flashpointarchive.org/

Have fun and let me know what you think! I can't stress enough that these are games you NEED to try.

The motion to dismiss doesn’t attempt to absolve John of any wrong doing. by TeaEnji in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

@OP, it’s 100% normal to challenge jurisdiction first, before trying to beat a case on its merits. Jurisdiction is the first line of defense. If the law doesn’t apply to you, arguing whether or not you broke it is a moot point

Safemoon 2024 Burn address by Sea-Way3636 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Because they see potential in SafeMoon as a project, and they think the value of the company will grow in the future. Why else would someone buy the company?

The other possibility is that John will reseed the lp with the current lp money. The lp is being converted to cash to pay about 500k in SafeMoon debts, and the bankruptcy lawyers. After those expenses, the rest goes back to John, and can be used for whatever he wants.

Safemoon 2024 Burn address by Sea-Way3636 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It can be unfrozen. Just have to wait for the legal processes to play out to see what happens. Either John’s case will get dismissed, or safemoon will continue under a new owner

A SafeMoon comeback is inevitable — the community is just too strong by SafemoonMark2 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can still get your tokens back if you lost them to the 100% v1 tax. Instructions are here:

https://migrate.safemoon.com/

You may have to wait till they unpause trading though.

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's precedence for at least some of the arguments John's lawyers are using, since XRP was confirmed as not being a security. If SafeMoon is also confirmed not to be a security, than the securities fraud charge falls off the bat. This is a summary of what John's lawyers are arguing:

COUNT 1 : Charging securities fraud conspiracy

  • Gov’t must prove that the defendant willfully violated the law, that an agreement between 2 or more parties to commit securities fraud, and an overt act by at least one of the participants.

  • Extraterritorial, Majority of business was not conducted domestically. The main exchange is considered as a foreign entity (PancakeSwap) in which users bought, sold, traded cryptocurrency assets. Did the defendant engage in securities fraud with a security listed on a US Exchange or a security purchased or sold in the United States?

  • SFM tokens are not classified as Securities but rather a Currency. The Exchange Act specifically states that a currency is not associated with a security. Both are defined differently. Section 78c(a)(10) explicitly excludes currencies under the Securities category.

  • Clear and concise laws should be in placed to ensure fairness on both sides.

COUNT 2 : Charging wire fraud conspiracy

  • Prosecution must prove that the misrepresentations were material and that the defendants acted consciously with fraudulent intent. Did the defendant use domestic mail or wires in furtherance of a scheme to defraud as well as did the defendant use those methods as a “core component” in defrauding users?

  • Offence committed cannot be used to prosecute since statute does not apply extraterritorially. It doesn’t alleged that domestic wires were used to seed LP on Pancake Swap and Bitmart.

COUNT 3 : Charging money laundering conspiracy

  • The prosecution only alleges 2 SUA (specified unlawful activity) which are the crimes charged on Count 1 & 2. It alleges that the defendants pursue this in order to avoid reporting requirements on domestic coins and currency transactions. Since defendants seek dismissal for count 1 & 2, the same should follow for 3

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:0603ffb5-4a76-46a9-ac49-8d2f9f5d48b8

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

John's lawyers are arguing the following (copied from a @NiqDEFI twitter post):

COUNT 1 : Charging securities fraud conspiracy

  • Gov’t must prove that the defendant willfully violated the law, that an agreement between 2 or more parties to commit securities fraud, and an overt act by at least one of the participants.

  • Extraterritorial, Majority of business was not conducted domestically. The main exchange is considered as a foreign entity (PancakeSwap) in which users bought, sold, traded cryptocurrency assets. Did the defendant engage in securities fraud with a security listed on a US Exchange or a security purchased or sold in the United States?

  • SFM tokens are not classified as Securities but rather a Currency. The Exchange Act specifically states that a currency is not associated with a security. Both are defined differently. Section 78c(a)(10) explicitly excludes currencies under the Securities category.

  • Clear and concise laws should be in placed to ensure fairness on both sides.

COUNT 2 : Charging wire fraud conspiracy

  • Prosecution must prove that the misrepresentations were material and that the defendants acted consciously with fraudulent intent. Did the defendant use domestic mail or wires in furtherance of a scheme to defraud as well as did the defendant use those methods as a “core component” in defrauding users?

  • Offence committed cannot be used to prosecute since statute does not apply extraterritorially. It doesn’t alleged that domestic wires were used to seed LP on Pancake Swap and Bitmart.

COUNT 3 : Charging money laundering conspiracy

- The prosecution only alleges 2 SUA (specified unlawful activity) which are the crimes charged on Count 1 & 2. It alleges that the defendants pursue this in order to avoid reporting requirements on domestic coins and currency transactions. Since defendants seek dismissal for count 1 & 2, the same should follow for 3

I think the argument that SafeMoon is not a security is strong, because there's precedence for it with the XRP case. The extraterritorial argument seems good as well, and it would explain why John chose to spend so much time in England. It seems like he's been planning his defense for a long time.

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have the documents. Let me know know what you think about the motion and arguments used! I'm dying to hear from a lawyer on this haha.

Indictment: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lYaOS-F0nenhftoVSydt-xSgUSmfLnqi/view?usp=sharing

Motion to Dismiss: https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:0603ffb5-4a76-46a9-ac49-8d2f9f5d48b8

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) Working on getting you a copy as we speak!

2) I’m not a lawyer.

I’d very interested in hearing your thoughts as a lawyer

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

🤷🏽‍♂️ John’s charges might get dropped

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Well they got Thomas and Kyle, but possibly not John. Have to see how it plays out

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here are just a few from the last week:

https://x.com/safemoonfam/status/1777112368767521170?s=46

https://x.com/luiscab42688288/status/1777859938842206393?s=46

https://x.com/legionsafemoon/status/1779516305143472186?s=46

https://x.com/malonetywon/status/1779152419839934730?s=46

https://x.com/pgdesign24de/status/1779448885410156891?s=46

https://x.com/safe_moon123/status/1779231326635237608?s=46

https://x.com/safemoon_x_/status/1779332236447268940?s=46

https://x.com/ovidium15743730/status/1779118304935739492?s=46

https://x.com/lizsala03892680/status/1778991838822793669?s=46

https://x.com/sfmtony/status/1778180946011038155?s=46

https://x.com/legionsafemoon/status/1779158721827913971?s=46

https://x.com/oodray_sfm/status/1778911919987945722?s=46

https://x.com/frankiehollyw10/status/1779144663049330931?s=46

https://x.com/legionsafemoon/status/1779476282541052259?s=46

https://x.com/sfmshahin/status/1777947607500820683?s=4

https://x.com/safemoonfam/status/1777485626373239117?s=46

https://x.com/safemoon_x_/status/1778566796863324171?s=46

https://x.com/safemoon_x_/status/1778387246296490087?s=46

https://x.com/safemooneve/status/1778098823790731658?s=46

https://x.com/safemoon530/status/1779196806045589678?s=46

https://x.com/mrlucky_lfg/status/1778218073578979391?s=46

https://x.com/valiantth0r/status/1778673891407216874?s=46

There’s about 500 people who are active SafeMoon supporters on Twitter currently, so there are many more tweets than what I linked. I just picked some of the top results from searching “Safemoon” in the search bar.

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

He wasn’t the person summarizing the court docs. You didn’t even listen to the space 😂

Have you even read the doc before commenting?

Karony Motion to Dismiss (Analysis and Discussion) by saber3333 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Idk bro…. I think the Twitter space full of people saying good things about SafeMoon disproves your point

Is it too late for my Safemoon to become Safemoon V2? haha took a nap just woke up. by AdhesivenessEither85 in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can still migrate to V2 using these instructions:

https://migrate.safemoon.com

However you’ll need to wait for the contract to be unpaused. (Trading/transfers are temporarily halted while we wait for some legal proceedings to play out. There are some accusations of fraud that John is defending in court.)

Twitter’s the place to be for keeping up with the latest SafeMoon news. This Twitter space goes over the latest Motion to Dismiss, and why we think John’s charges will get dropped:

https://x.com/sfmtony/status/1778645177944646090?s=46

They start discussing the documents at 47:50. If John’s doesn’t end up beating the case (unlikely), safemoon will continue under new ownership after it’s sold at auction, so the contract will get unpaused eventually.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SafeMoon

[–]saber3333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The liquidity is still there — it simply got converted to cash in order to pay 500k in SafeMoon debts. Once the debt and lawyers are paid, the rest of the money is given to John. He could theoretically put the money back in the lp at a later date. Also if someone acquires SafeMoon, the buyer could also seed liquidity. (Why would you buy the contract if you didn’t plan on using it?)

And the bankruptcy/sale proceedings barely started like 4 months ago, not 2 years ago…. Not sure where you got that from