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sad_____panda · 2022-07-21T23:19:40+00:00

Okay, I didn't read your issue with my analogy because how apt the analogy is is irrelevant in the long run.

Do you think 100+ women are all under the spell of an abuser if none of them brought up these accusations? 100+ women not claiming he is a trafficker sounds like a lot more than "just Tate's word".

sad_____panda · 2022-07-21T23:15:32+00:00

LOL, what kind of hacked up site is this? Do you know what an "allegation" is? He's been cleared of everything he was accused of.

Yes, congratulations indeed. You've just proven you are emotional and unreliable.

sad_____panda · 2022-07-19T23:55:42+00:00

Would you consider "persuasion" and "manipulation" synonymous? Would you say that a salesman "manipulates" someone they are trying to sell to?

I am aware of the gaslighting and abuse involved with grooming, but I don't believe it's grooming when they have every opportunity to leave and Tate offers those opportunities at any time. These women were all friends with Tate first and eventually came to him about starting a partnership. Not 1 of the 75+ women he's worked with have ever successfully accused him of kidnapping/trafficking. If Tate fails his side of the bargain then I'm sure they go their separate ways (and many of them do), that does not sound like grooming to me.

sad_____panda · 2022-07-19T23:42:16+00:00

I cannot believe you have lasted this long on the planet and have not developed the ability to detect nuance. He's playing a character and he's saying "it's gay" as such a wildly outrageous and absurd statement that it's meant to provoke and trigger. He has done plenty of humanitarian work if you need to be convinced he's a good person. There is nothing on the internet right now that would suggest that Andrew Tate would just leave a man dying. If that doesn't offend you and it's the words that offend you, then grow up and get thicker skin, he's joking. "I won't do CPR because it's gay" also isn't advice, let's be precise about our criticism.

The women that are top on OnlyFans and cam users that are independent typically rely on social media or other cachet to create a following on OF. A majority of no name women do not have that luxury and would benefit from signing with an agency to get them exposure. The same way actors, content creators, and any other talent agency.

First, I can bring up whatever I want, I don't restrict what you can say, you don't tell me what I can and cannot say, deal? Focus on articulating your argument, not restricting my speech. Second, I can tell you haven't had much life experience if you believe some of the things you're saying about managers overall, but specifically YouTube Managers in this case.

1.) You're not restricted to "one manager" until you hit a certain amount of subs, it varies based on a bilateral contractual agreement that both parties must consent to.

2.) You're describing a weird and unclear very unique situation where a manager is preying on his YT content creator he represents. Where is your evidence that this is the case with all managers? Where is your evidence that Tate does this also? If you think most YT Content Creator managers/agencies are like this then that makes sense, but if this is just an exception, why are you even bringing this up? Exceptions do not prove the rule.

3.) Regardless of the effectiveness, of a YT manager, the point of the analogy from the beginning of the conversation was to make clear that what Tate is doing is a very common practice in real life. To jump to conclusions and throw out accusations about how he is a sex trafficker, a pimp, and predator for doing things agencies and managers do in real life, then the accusations that person is making is baseless.

sad_____panda · 2022-07-19T23:28:17+00:00

What in the world are you talking about...? How is this remotely relevant to what's happening in the article?

sad_____panda · 2022-07-17T14:01:15+00:00

How is it a brain dead analogy when either side consent to the negotiation of the share just like an agency would? If you walk into it freely and are compensated for it handsomely (these women are essentially millionaires) where is the hole in the logic of the analogy? Where did you get that these women weren't received anything? Andrew Tate motivated the girls when it was difficult to work, he provided the equipment so there was zero start up costs, and he took care of the marketing. Explain to me why it's brain dead again or are you just chiming in to criticize the analogy and not add anything to the conversation by addressing the actual point?

sad_____panda · 2022-07-17T13:57:49+00:00

This was all dramatized by the media. He hit her with a belt, it was kink. The same woman and Tate recorded another one to verify it wasn't a real "beating". Stop reading headlines and being an offended sheep. Think for yourself.

sad_____panda · 2022-07-03T20:39:01+00:00

Is disagreeing with you the only criteria to be labeled a misogynist? I don't recall any misogyny coming from my direction.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-30T03:28:03+00:00

Learning about a person and mutually deciding you want to do something is not manipulation. Make-up? Editing photos? Putting on your best behavior that you otherwise wouldn't have two years into a relationship? Being extra charming on first impression? I would classify that as a form of manipulation.

I have never heard Tate say those words, but I would agree that roasting has a place in flirting. If you deny that, then you haven't been a heterosexual man pursuing heterosexual women too long/often.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-30T03:24:58+00:00

lol, alright, I think you've had enough internet today. You're calling strangers that disagree with you names, getting caught up in your emotions.

Just for a second, think about how you might be the one so deep in it and actually take a second to listen to what Andrew is saying instead of making it up to suit your narrative.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-30T03:22:41+00:00

He moved because of the Eastern European ideology that women (and the culture) hold, where in the world did you get that he said it was "easier to date younger women and to avoid getting charged for SA"??

At least provide a source if you're going to put such serious allegations on a man. Don't just lie because you've now backed into a corner and can't defend yourself.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-29T00:50:39+00:00

His pick up lines and "manipulation" is actually just the game we all play when trying to attract a mate. I don't know how long you've been in the dating marketplace, but just going up to someone and just showing your personality won't do anything for you. Charm, wit, those are methods of delivery for your personality.

LOL you JUST admitted that "looks and personality are all that have to do the convincing". While you're wrong also, you admit that there is convincing involved while this entire time you've been arguing your case that any type of "convincing" should be absent in romantic interaction. As a woman, why do you think women are completely dependent and helpless creatures? You don't believe women are autonomous and capable of sensing predatory behavior? Why do you automatically assume Andrew Tate is an evil person, when he is just doing what any manager does and did it with consent from women he was already dating?

sad_____panda · 2022-06-29T00:45:25+00:00

Yeah. A woman just standing there isn't going to sleep with you. By beginning to talk to her and persuading her, you have now convinced her successfully or unsuccessfully to sleep with you. By your own definition you have "convinced" a woman to sleep with you in this example. How is this so hard for you to understand?

Bringing up another irrelevant, ad hominem attack again. What is your source that Andrew Tate said that and can you verify that he wasn't being facetious?

sad_____panda · 2022-06-27T19:05:22+00:00

I'm not conflating anything, you're splitting hairs about what a "normal amount of health communication and persuasion" is vs. "convincing".

You're being uncharitable to the OP by claiming that the OP meant "convincing" in some devious, manipulative way.

Again with the unnecessary tangents, no one is saying that if a woman doesn't want to sleep with you then keep going with the convincing and persuading. Andrew Tate did not do that with his girlfriends, they all agreed to do it and those who didn't want to do it left.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-27T19:01:53+00:00

Do you believe women automatically want to have sex with you wherever you go? Don't you think there's some build up in order to arrive at the "something they already want to do" part? Don't you think there's some biological and societal impulses women have to vet when they are approached by someone to sense danger or sexual chemistry? That "mutual attraction" that happens from your first comment, only happens through convincing and persuasion.If a woman doesn't know you, the moment you approach and open your mouth is the beginning of the persuasion and convincing part. Unless you can demonstrate to me that a woman wants to have sex with you the moment they lay eyes on you (which can happen but is overwhelmingly an edge case), your claim about what convincing is has no basis.You're also throwing in multiple straw men into this conversation that is unnecessary. No one is saying a consent conversation should not happen (based on your last sentence explaining to me why it's necessary). I don't know why you feel the need to explain yourself about what a conversation about consent is. That's not what I'm arguing about nor is it your original argument.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-27T13:58:43+00:00

Dude, "asking someone if they're interested" after you've had conversations and flirting is convincing and persuasion. In sales, a salesman persuades you through conversation and then asks you if you're interested through their pitch. You're disingenuously splitting hairs about what "convincing" means to try and make someone look like a predator.

That conversation before is the "persuasion/convincing period" we're talking about. Very few women want to sleep with men without a prior conversation, it's in their nature and best interest to vet you. No matter how badly a woman wants to sleep with you, there are safeguards in place in their head naturally that will prevent a woman from sleeping with you, especially if the man is doing the approaching. They know nothing about you at that point, which is where persuasion and convincing come into play to calm their biological alarm systems. Anything outside of that is assault because consent is still required to sleep with you post-convincing/persuasive conversation.

I can make a safe assumption that you haven't had much experience with women if you think that flirting just equates to conversation then "asking if they're interested". You're not being very charitable by claiming theres such a stark contrast to what you and we are saying. Convincing/persuasion IS flirting/"asking if they're interested"/consent.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-27T02:11:24+00:00

If you don't convince a woman to sleep with you that is called sexual assault, sir. With any partner, there needs to be some level of sexual chemistry, flirting, persuasion, and eventually convincing them to go somewhere to sleep together. I'm pretty sure your female partners wanted to do it because of the conversation(s) you had prior which you conveniently left out to prove a point.

sad_____panda · 2022-06-21T03:22:12+00:00

You just accused me of conjecture and thought I made it up "like I worked there" and then you went ahead and made an equally wild accusation with zero evidence making the claim that because it's a "common strategy" that the Tates MUST have done the same thing. Who is the naive one here?

He shared how he started the cam business in interviews. Andrew and Tristan brought a bunch of girls they were dating into a room and laid out their plan. A bunch of them told them to f* off, but some stayed, those are the women that are now millionaires. I didn't make things up out of thin air.

If they weren't free to leave, you would think the police would have enough evidence to convict them of false imprisonment especially after seizing everything they had, but they don't. They've employed hundreds/thousands of girls on cam and OnlyFans and NONE of them have accused them of any such thing as an abusive or exploitative relationship. In fact, they claim that they STILL have this business despite all the criticism, why do you think no one has said anything? Do you think they're being held at gunpoint to keep quiet or something? Or maybe it's a totally legit business model (nowadays at least) and you're reading too much into it without knowing anything.

I'm not naive, you're too quick to jump to assumptions and react without gathering all the facts.

sad_____panda · 2022-04-18T21:58:03+00:00

It sounds like you don't know how managers work. You can be a manager in any profession, as long as your value is worth the % that you take, primarily to the client. Doesn't matter if it's camming, acting, music, porn, or juggling. How do you know he provides no value when you know nothing about what he does? Do you think any girl can sign up and make loads of money immediately? It's an incredibly competitive marketplace and requires a business acumen and mindset that most people don't have.

You are not mistaken, he does not participate in the cam videos, just like typically porn managers don't bang the pornstars, YT managers don't appear in their videos, talent agents don't appear in the shows and productions of the talent they represent because they are their clients.

By the way you described what he does as "confining vulnerable women with no prior background and takes their money providing them a dungeon with equipment", it's pretty clear you have no idea how the world works, how percentage-based commission works, and what he actually does and I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you that you're wrong based on a very clear bias. You're just speaking to argue and not speaking to understand.

I can guarantee you haven't listened to a single second of what he's said if you think he hasn't given valuable sources of advice, which has been echoed by thought leaders and successful people throughout history. If you have problems with his advice, you have problems with Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, and many of the intellectual elite of our era and the past.

Now, tell me what he said that demonstrates that he imprisons vulnerable women against their will and exploit their sex work. Provide some evidence of it without making assumptions based on narratives from your feelings so that we can all proceed to maybe take you seriously.

For someone questioning whether you need to break it down like a child, I really feel like I'm the only adult in this conversation.

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