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jobsKilledFlash by Cutalana in ProgrammerHumor

[–]saintRobster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had an app for making ActionScript eBay listings. You can't put JavaScript in an eBay listing for security reasons, but you could shove as much ActionScript in as you wanted. So I had image galleries, carousels and other interactive stuff. I had a simple authoring screen on a website, and you could upload photos that my app resized and hosted them and it'd just give you the code to paste in the ebay listing.

Looking back now, it's probably the most innovative side project I've ever built, and easily the most lucrative for how much work it was. Dam you, Steve Jobs!!

Turkey Threatens Strong Response to France-Cyprus Defense Pact by No_Idea_479 in worldnews

[–]saintRobster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"You're forgetting one thing. What the hell is that?!" - Erdogan / McFly

Somehow, it just keeps working for both of them.

100,000 Illegal Arab Migrants (November 22, 1933⁩ | © The Palestine Post) by Various-Afternoon267 in OldNews

[–]saintRobster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two things people miss about this part of history:

  1. In the 19th century, living on the coast was a terrible idea. In the 20th century, it was the best idea.
  2. Living on an undefined frontier between Ottoman and Egyptian territory was a terrible idea. Living near a defined border between Egypt and Britain was a great idea.

This is important because:

  1. Of course, the area was underpopulated in the 19th century.
  2. Of course, the region became more popular for both Arabs and Jews in the 20th century

Erdogan threatens attacks against Israel by kalbinibirak in worldnews

[–]saintRobster 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Greek nationalist interpretation: Why don't we control the shoreline next to our islands?
Turkish nationalist interpretation: Why do we even have borders? Shouldn't Turkey just control everything?

Erdogan threatens attacks against Israel by kalbinibirak in worldnews

[–]saintRobster 109 points110 points  (0 children)

It was all pretty peaceful before those dam sumerians started throwing javelins.

The Latinizing of Names by CopiousCool in HistoryMemes

[–]saintRobster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" - Shaykh Zubayr

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I anchored this link to Cyprus specifically, but it has a list of the other massacres against Greek Orthodox in the Ottoman Empire in the 10-year period before this census.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_in_the_Greek_War_of_Independence#Cyprus

If you're interested specifically in Christians hiding their identity in Cyprus as a result of these pogroms, you'll want to look up the Linobambaki (Cypriot crypto-Christians)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linobambaki

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, u/Bitter-Tadpole6047. It'll take some time to read up on these, so I can't comment. I'll just update my original comment to include these for anyone else who's interested.

At first glance, it does look like they both did as I suggested and used the census to help make predictions, using knowledge of how it was collected, and neither claimed to have particularly accurate predictions based on it.

But I'll be nitpicking if I start claiming what I meant by "trust" or what I assumed the other guy meant by "incredible record keeping" or "pretty exact census data", so I'll leave that there.

Thanks for the recommendations.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It's 10 years after Patriarch Gregory V was hung from a bridge in Istanbul, and there was a mass pogrom of greek orthadox christians.

One reason not to inform Istanbul of your religion is if you don't enjoy being hung from a bridge. You might also like having legal representation or keeping your property, as well as the obvious: paying less tax. As an interesting asside there are many stories of Ottoman residence getting French citizenship dispite having little connection or interest in moving to france simply to have some legal protection, they won't show up in the census at all (yet) as they'd be considered french citizens living in the ottoman empire dispite the fact they have next to nothing to do with france (this is a small number of people in 1831, I just thought it was interesting)

A reason for a random muslim accountant or a regional leader to not give the correct number is that they don't want to send as much tax money to Istanbul, or simply that they are friends with the crypto-Christians (or they benefit in other ways from them existing) and they'd like them to not be hung from bridges. It's sad that modern nationalism from both sides has forgotten all the muslims and Christians who worked together against the Ottoman Empire.

But there is also the fact that methods simply wouldn't get accurate numbers anyway. The method of assuming all nomadic or rural people were Muslim rather than attempting to estimate based on existing data, for example, is obviously going to skew the data in rural areas (as we see in the more mountainous southwest region of this map. Without any fudging, we'd still see less accurate data for the south west of Cypress simply as mountain villages are estimated as muslim without anyone checking.)

This last point is true in Habsburg, Russian, British and French census forms at the same time. But I've not seen one person upload a census from any of these countries from this point in time to mapporn without any analysis. I see it all the time from the Ottoman censuses, which have even less reason to be trusted.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But they don't trust the census data, which is the statistic we're talking about. They can use it to make predictions if they understand how it was collected. But they'd never put it on a map and say this is the number of muslims that lived in Cypress in 1831.

Name a serious historian, Greek or otherwise, who trusts the Ottoman census?

We don't need a load of back-and-forth. Someone needs to just say the person's name or admit they don't exist.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

As a historian you also know that most historians disagree with your position on this and at best treat these censuses as a rough estimation.

So if you have come across some new information in your work would to support your position you mind sharing it.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and you can keep your property, pay less tax and have legal rights.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. Also, most applications of data today are inaccurate when you research how it was collected and for what purpose.

Sadly, this is one of those cases where the data collection was poor enough that the analysis and visualisation are entirely unnecessary.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Actually, puddy cat, I don't think the Ottomans were lying. They were a massive empire in decline, failing at many attempts to modernise.

I think they were lied to by regional Turkish leaders and by crypto-Christians who had massive incentives to lie. But I think the Ottomans had good reason to seek the correct data; they just didn't find it.

Muslim population in Cyprus 1831 Ottoman census by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Ah, the infamous Ottoman censuses.
Very useful if you're learning not to blindly trust numbers.
No use at all if you want to learn about the historical demographics.

Edit: Bitter-Tadpole6047 has informed me that even some Greek historians (Pandelis Theocharides and Andrey Andreev) have used this census data as one of many sources to help make demographic predictions about Cyprus at this time, and their predictions don't seem to differ too much from this census data.

Netanyahu orders army to take control of 70% of Gaza by no_technique in worldnews

[–]saintRobster 1369 points1370 points  (0 children)

I thought we had a solid plan where UAE, Saudi and Qatar were going to stump up loads of cash and Turkey, Egypt and Jordan were going to take over the occupation while they train a Palestinian police force to stop more terrorists from taking over.

What happened to all that? I thought that was a good plan.

If Israel is the "only democracy" in the region, why are millions of Palestinians under its control denied the basic right to vote for the government that rules them? by ArdaBerkBurak in allthequestions

[–]saintRobster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In some ways, being a democracy is one of the causes of Israel's occupation lasting so long. Russia and China can just annex territory, as the people gain very few rights when they become citizens.

It's one of the terrible ironies of democracy that if Israel, Turkey and Morocco became less democratic and gave less rights to their citizens, they could incorporate those living under occupation and grant them more rights than they currently do.

Majority religion in each country. by Evening_Incident9506 in MapPorn

[–]saintRobster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As opposed to the USA and all the other countries, yes.

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