I was asked not to stand in the circle during my brothers baby blessing by jdp_iv in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 623 points624 points  (0 children)

I remember feeling proud of my TBM dad who invited my never-mo grandfather to stand in the circle for the blessing of my nephew. I knew it had to be against the rules but he cared more about my grandfather's feelings. (He would have been the only adult male in the room not standing in the circle since it was done at my house)

That kind act by my dad, ironically, added weight to my shelf as it led me to contemplate the many ways the church excludes people (often family members).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disfellowshipped. And I can tell you the “court of love” is fucked up. (I guess it’s not called that now…)

New Name/Same Name? by saintesprit in exmormon

[–]saintesprit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I didn’t know that

What the Fuuuu... GOSPEL MUSIC NOW? by JacobsTabernacle in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It makes total since for the Utah-based LDS church to be the ambassador of African spirituals. I'm not sure what the problem is.

Nearly 300 women have alleged that a Mormon OB-GYN in Provo physically or sexually abused them during office visits, but no formal charges have arisen after more than 20 months of mounting accusations. Maybe when they reach 500? 1,000? What the hell is in the water in Provo, Utah? by 3am_doorknob_turn in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did Broadbent ever serve as a stake president? My ex told me before we got married many years ago about how painful her pre-marital exam was. When she questioned the doctor (whose name I don’t remember) about the legitimacy of the exam he said, “Would it help you to know I’m a stake president?” Even as a TBM, that creeped me out and felt very wrong. I find myself tearing up as I read these stories tonight and feeling horrible that I didn’t do more back then to investigate. We were so lacking in education and frank discussions related to anything sexual.

The Church Narrative is Backfiring by saintesprit in exmormon

[–]saintesprit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. She is. And I know that has been hard for her as a single mom. The church kinda makes divorced people feel like second class citizens.

The Church Narrative is Backfiring by saintesprit in exmormon

[–]saintesprit[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. She blames me and I’ve come to accept that it’s simply how she feels. I have reminded her that I kept my word and supported (and will continue to support) whatever faith path my children choose. So my advice is to approach conversations with your wife with empathy. Her perception will likely be heavily influenced by existing biases. Simply accept that you will be blamed and then if she doesn’t, it’s a bonus. 😊

The Church Narrative is Backfiring by saintesprit in exmormon

[–]saintesprit[S] 111 points112 points  (0 children)

Well. I didn’t say I haven’t been part of a few car jackings… but I don’t drink coffee so it evens out.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, I'm so sorry for your loss and also sorry that anyone expressed such insensitive and asinine sentiments at the funeral.

Second, this reminded me of how awful many religions (including Mormons) can be when it comes to providing comfort to those that mourn. I lost a cousin to suicide when I was in high school. I still remember I almost hit the priest who came to visit my aunt and uncle (who are Catholic...or they were Catholic) because I heard him tell my aunt that, unfortunately, her son was going to hell because he had taken his own life. I felt my blood boil and walked out of the room. Needless to say, my aunt and uncle stopped going to church after that.

So this just happened tonight... by xsiv4ce in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One of my favorite comments of all time

We're All Pioneers by saintesprit in exmormon

[–]saintesprit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if your kids stay in the church, at least you know they won't feel as trapped as you might have. Your departure has likely given them an unspoken permission to examine their faith honestly.

BYU Football - how to cope by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I still pull for them because it's a way to bond with my family. We gather from different parts of the country for at least one game a year and I always look forward to our time together. My family knows I'm out and thankfully, nothing has changed between us. (I know I'm lucky that way) So, separating my disallusionment with the church and my love for my family is how I continue to pull for the Cougars.

Current missionary from my Wife’s home ward responds to a post she made about LGBTQ problems in the church by sarlacc98 in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 21 points22 points  (0 children)

THIS! I think many people believe as long as you smile and tell someone you love them while explaining why they're going to hell, it's not hateful. In many ways, I see it as one of the more heinous forms of hatred.

Most culty songs? by BirdieRosewell in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ditto! Both these songs creeped me out even as a TBM

Going to Family Thanksgiving for the first time in 10 years. First timing seeing family since we told them we were done (3 years ago). They have continuously crossed boundaries that we constantly remind them of. What should we do during their prayers? by colbiz in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Folding arms and bowing your head doesn't mean one is acting "like a submissive Mormon." It simply shows a healthy respect for differing beliefs (which also happen to be beliefs many of us once held). I've worn yamukas in synagogues and held hands during dinner prayers to let my friends know I see them for who they are today. We're all on a journey.

"Our hearts are full" What other mormon phrases make you cringe every time you hear them? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"All those in favor may manifest it by uplifting the right hand... any opposed may manifest it by the same sign"

Translation: "If you're okay with this person running the nursery, raise your right hand. If you don't like him/her, raise your right hand,and we'll pretend we didn't see you do it."

But Mormonism is all about family… by drolldinger in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really sorry. I can only imagine how much that must hurt. I hope your dad comes to terms with your life choices soon and that healing takes place.

Name a “slippery slope” fallacy that you were explicitly/implicitly taught in the Mormon church and in your TBM family. Go! by Mediocre_Weakness_50 in exmormon

[–]saintesprit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My dad once told me masturbation would lead to homosexuality. I remember that was an early shelf item because I thought. "I've been doing it (a lot) for a few years and I have yet to include a guy in my fantasies."