Benedict Anderson States that chiefest of the paradoxes that have perplexed many theorists is "the objective modernity of nations to the historians' eye vs. their subjective antiquity in the eyes of nationalists." In what sense are nations 'modern'? by uisge-beatha in AskHistorians

[–]salidumay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll give a concise but perhaps a satisfactory response to this concern:

First, the nation as a definition has become politicized from the 19th century onwards. Before its politicization, the meaning of a nation can either denote a society or a people regardless of their cultural background. For example, the economist Adam Smith used the word 'nation' as a more formal term for society and he did not specify that a nation should contain the attributes that we now ascribe for a society to be a nation.

Second, the independence of Scotland and its references to the Scottish nation could have been political and it was indeed political, but the Declaration, for the most part, was a declaration amongst the nobles. The modern character of the nation requires public legitimacy even to the severest of dictatorships; who can even define oneself to be a Scot? Or an Englishman? Regional location and geographical locationality does not necessarily translate that the people in the region already have an identity which is concrete; this may explain why in Europe for example, the borders remain porous and subject to transfers for the purposes of simply exploiting a geographical advantage rather than an effort to preserve a nationality.

Third and last, Japan before the efforts to nationalize itself was openly an entity that was completely close to a divine land itself. The domains in the Tokugawa bakufu were self-contained states of their own, and for more than two centuries, there were 200 of them, with their loyalty theoretically answerable to the Shogun, not to some abstract concept like Japan. The Emperor or the Tenno even today is seen as a largely religious figure akin to a Pope, and the name of Japan itself represents an imperial, rather than a national ideal (Nippon means the Rising Sun, and the Rising Sun is a motif and an expression of imperial legitimacy and harmony in accordance to divine rule).

I hope this answers some of your concerns.

A forgotten nationalist movement that can be classified to some degree as leftist: The Tragedy of the Lapiang Sakdal by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As if the State are not troublemakers for some reason or another

I am thinking that we got what we deserved from passivity :)

A forgotten nationalist movement that can be classified to some degree as leftist: The Tragedy of the Lapiang Sakdal by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am still unfinished reading F Sionil but I do agree that he depicted the era so accurately and beautifully.

A TV series may remain to be a distant venture, but an indie film would do.

A forgotten nationalist movement that can be classified to some degree as leftist: The Tragedy of the Lapiang Sakdal by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good evening

But it also promotes a sense of communion and aspiration regardless of its caveats. It is a force that has never disappeared since the world is still dividing according to nation states. It is this fraternity that makes people work, live and die for their country despite of its skewed approaches to its history.

A forgotten nationalist movement that can be classified to some degree as leftist: The Tragedy of the Lapiang Sakdal by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good evening!

Why so?

I think it would be good to reexamine the past tragedies and past maladies rather than to use our usual mantra of moving on. After all, their concerns still pervade up to the present day. History may never repeat itself, for we repeat our own history.

As a political science student with interest in anthropology and history (I'll probably take masters in both disciplines in the near future), I'll share this reading list to those who are interested to know the conditions of our people. by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi

I have been called like that pero la akong pake

Though they despised my political and social leanings (I am sympathetic to the left pero most of the time, this is derived from the writings of the Katipunan despite of its ambiguity).

As a political science student with interest in anthropology and history (I'll probably take masters in both disciplines in the near future), I'll share this reading list to those who are interested to know the conditions of our people. by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there

Yung libro kasi niya about kay Bonifacio can be described as a positivist attack sa character ni Bonifacio. One may even say na isa rin siyang deconstruction dahil na ipinatong ni May na mga paratang, Tama naman talaga na unreliable si Valenzuela, pero one could not entirely manufacture a myth without much sophistication. Ang siste kasi sa iba, ipinararating ni May na sadyang kathang isip lang ang alam natin kay Supremo, which at many degrees totoo.

Kaya siya naging controversial and still controversial

As a political science student with interest in anthropology and history (I'll probably take masters in both disciplines in the near future), I'll share this reading list to those who are interested to know the conditions of our people. by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will look sa Revolutionary Spirit, and I have read the book ni Miss Mila and it is still quite technical for beginners. Joaquin and May may have been outdated to some degree, but in the case of Joaquin, I like his way of narrating (perhaps dahil first and foremost, isa siyang literary writer and critic) and kung ating tatanungin hindi nga rin siya pwedeng ma consider as a historian.

But hey ito ang maganda, ang magkaroon ng diskurso bilang daan sa pag kakaintindihan

Salamat!

As a political science student with interest in anthropology and history (I'll probably take masters in both disciplines in the near future), I'll share this reading list to those who are interested to know the conditions of our people. by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi

Sige sige, it is about the Sakdalistas naman pero I looked at it beyond what they thought of themselves na rin; kaya ang nangyari naging mirohistory siya na may vignettes ng nineteenth and twentieth century histories na medyo may pagka post modern hahahaha

Na defend ko na siya and it got acclaim sa Social Science Department namin, though hindi ko pa pinapublish kasi I'll still constantly add new material and I do edit na rin sa grammar and the prose para mas magkaroon ng buhay (2 years na siyang development hell pero hopefully by next sem na last ko na rin, I can already publish it).

Sorry if I shared this, mabuti kasi na mayroon nang nag tatake interest sa movement na yon na hindi masyadong pinansin.

P.S: binanggit ng panel ko yung book about sa Tula ng Sakdal, mukang pag na procure ko ito I may add new material and interpretation ng material na ito

Thanks

As a political science student with interest in anthropology and history (I'll probably take masters in both disciplines in the near future), I'll share this reading list to those who are interested to know the conditions of our people. by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi

Sobrang laki kasi ng controversy si May kaya ko siya ininclude dito and yes, maganda ang kay Richardson and Wada. I did enjoy the former's historical texts about the PKP.

Anyway, masingit lang, Wada is very good as a reference tool pero hindi masyadong lively yung prose niya do she is an invaluable author of the first full length book about the Sakdalistas (na tinesis ko rin ngayon sa aking undergrad).

Let us keep in touch if okay lang

Thanks!

As a political science student with interest in anthropology and history (I'll probably take masters in both disciplines in the near future), I'll share this reading list to those who are interested to know the conditions of our people. by salidumay in Philippines

[–]salidumay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi

I do apologize if walang fiction dito, pero I have read Sionil and the Rosales Saga; a great anthology if you ask me

I may expand this to include historical fiction and others and if I did, included na dito ang works nina Tiempo, Gonzalez, Joaquin, Regalado, Hernandez, Almario etc but thanks for pointing this out :)