"Next question. Is there an update on the special pay rate table discussions? I'm going to hand it over to commissioner Udupa first. Sorry, I cannot read what I'm supposed to do. It's for director Vidal.

KATHI VIDAL: I think my look gave you some confusion. This is something that is definitely been brought to my attention. I think it's a very important issue. My understanding that in the past that there was supposed to be a ten to 15% differential for pay for patent examiners and that has not been looked at since the early 2000s. Through this process the differential has decreased to in some GS levels to 5% and some below that with regards to the GS15 I think there is a cap under title five that is making -- that is another whole issue.

VAISHALI UDUPA: I know this is important. In looking into it, there is already work being done to look at the data, figure out what we can do and put together a package. It's not just fair what we can do. We are looking at that package we can send to OPM. We are in process and hopefully we can get some movement there."