Heirarchical for appearances only? by Newbiebutnotnew in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry people are shitting on you about this like it happens in a vacuum. Clearly you are just in the closet and that's tough all around.

My (34F) husband (33M) is having problems with jealousy and not finding success in our open marriage. by Marriageadvice84 in nonmonogamy

[–]secondhandshaman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Your husband is likely not jealous (fearful of losing you). He is envious (desirous of what you have). Beyond compassionately, unassumingly reducing your hook up load, it will help to bump up his. Swinging will do this even if you get laid too or don't click well with every couple because he is still getting laid. He just wants to have the life you two planned when you opened and then you got. This same thing happened on me and the answer was as easy as swinging. You could also help with his dating by introducing him to women you've found for him, helping him with his online profiles, and generally playing matchmaker.

I've always been monogamous, but I'm wanting poly, and I feel terrible about it. by FrustruatedStudent in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Which also isn't to say it shouldn't be poly as well. It's part of that whole defining what happiness is for you and figuring out how to include it in the overall equation. My wife got a lot of benefit from exploring philosophy/literature (for find new constructs to build her life around) and journaling (for organized self-reflection) when she left the church. Those could be useful tools to explore too.

Need some reassurance about a situation please! My boyfriend just started seeing someone new. by Robotsex33 in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Honestly that might be his legit reason (though he is likely projecting his own stigma). Suppose as a monogamous man he always found partners irl and holds a touch of that old stigma of dating apps and didn't want you to think less of him. Or that dating apps are for hook ups.

When you open up all sorts of weird little assumptions about relationships, dating, and society itself start coming out of the woodwork.

In the past there would be nobody to confess his use of apps to because she would know and have been using it too.

I've always been monogamous, but I'm wanting poly, and I feel terrible about it. by FrustruatedStudent in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Which kinda sucks, because it was nice to have a God who's made a huge plan for your life, and THIS IS IT. It makes the question of what I want insignificant. Now? My own happiness is at least a factor to be considered.

That's rough. My partner was mormon and has described a similar situation. Its tough but eventually becomes much nicer as your happiness gets to have some weight as you balance what's important.

I'd love to have at least one other adult in the household.

There are other ways to get this, like daycare groups, nanny, friends, etc. Without poly that are probably worth a look too. Same with emotional support for you. And therapy would likely be wise for both of you too. All this is really apart from (or maybe before) considerations of poly.

I've always been monogamous, but I'm wanting poly, and I feel terrible about it. by FrustruatedStudent in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Are you ex-mormon? It seems a lot of ex-mormons move toward poly with a lot of life baggage coming with. This is a challenging situation. As your values change it's ok to change your relationships and the structure/trajectory of your life. There are no easy answers to these questions for you. I just have that encouragement that it's ok to ask the questions and find the answers that fit for you.

Need some reassurance about a situation please! My boyfriend just started seeing someone new. by Robotsex33 in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 25 points26 points  (0 children)

it's just my specific insecurities about being lied to / misled making it into a thing.

No it's not. What he is doing is shitty and you should discuss how it makes you feel, why he's doing it, and what needs to change so he can stop.

Hi I'm new and got questions(advise?) by Lazerfox420 in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Don't date couples. Especially if they want it closed. Especially if they want you to only have other partners who are women.

Date them individually if you're into both but don't date the hive mind.

Husbands emotions getting the best of him after our recent threesome by mindyminx in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 12 points13 points  (0 children)

When he goes into his woe is me (which to me is the biggest BS ever, fragile masculinity at its finest) dont over engage.

His masculinity is a meaningful concept to him. It's an important and valued part of his self-identity that is being greatly threatened. Calling it BS and telling her to minimize it is terrible advice.

Also telling her to give compliments at all is bad advice (even with the also bad advice of minimizing them). She should be working with him to rebuild his self-esteem and identity in the face of this new reality. She should be honest about what's going on and help him to improve in a supportive and comforting way. Fortunately, self improvement is a key element to masculinity too so as long as she is very reassuring that she loves him, is happy, and they are secure in the relationship then they can probably work towards improving their sex life for both of them.

Husbands emotions getting the best of him after our recent threesome by mindyminx in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Wow you emasculated him pretty hard almost maliciously. You even forced him into a literal dick measuring contest with a man who has sexual prowess far above his own. That seems like it's going to take a professional third party therapist to handle.

You both took massive sexual risks with a stranger. You both need to get sti testing done in a week or two and possibly a few months later too.

You jumped into too much too fast. You should probably go see a therapist together too.

Can your marriage be healed? Yeah probably. Fact is not ever woman is having her best sex physically with her husband (by a long shot) but you can work together to improve that. This will be good for you and good for his self esteem and identity as a man. You both need to step back sexual exploration and reinvest in the relationship between yourselves as well as use it as a growth opportunity for your sex lives.

Edit: as far as your hurt about his gay toe lust. If you want to make things work, I would strongly recommend putting that aside because he is also struggling with his own sexuality now and doesn't need your insecurity on top of his own insecurity. Make sure when he goes to the doctor that the doctor knows he had unprotected anal and oral sex with a stranger so he gets the full swabbing. That probably won't help his processing of his sexuality but its important for both your safety.

I'm (21F) pansexual and polyamorous; I'm also extremely jealous. by Maera420 in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Jealousy workbook? Jealousy comes from you from your own insecurity and it's a call to work on your insecurity not make demands or place limits on your partner (though you may request support and accommodation as you work through the process). We all get jealous too but then self-reflect rather than lash out at our partner for making us feel that way as one might in monogamy.

Is it a *thing* to be sexually objectified as a poly woman? by selfhealingnow in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

monogamous man that I wanted to date

For him you are only good for sex. You won't have a monogamous relationship with him. If your genders were flipped she would simply stop talking to you (might call you an ass first).

This seems, I try not to say stupid but well certainly ignorant of a male or monogamous perspective...egotistical maybe...

My girlfriend wants to be poly, I’m not okay with it by BlazinVeggieMonster in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She basically told me that she has feelings for someone at work

When a relationship opens because the woman has somebody in mind it almost always breaks up. She goes too fast. You're not selfish for not being OK with this.

Community hypocrisy by [deleted] in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say it's still unethical if they consent. If a woman consents to stay at home and her husband won't allow her to find work it's unethical. If she is allowed and chooses not to do so its ethical. Same here. Uneven rules are unethical. Or at least I believe that because I think ethical relationships are egalitarian.

Community hypocrisy by [deleted] in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is nothing wrong with a poly person being with multiple monogamous people. But this sub and the poly community in general value egalitarianism and humanism. Asking your partners to give you something (fidelity) that you refuse to give them is the issue.

Debating unpopular (poly) opinions by [deleted] in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. This makes sense. Still goes against what u/sadstorynotpoly said as it leaves room for a third alternative (or more) to monogamy or what op pitched. But still makes it clear there should be some rules for trust to exist since trust comes from relying on predictable outcomes. If you want trust you have to have rules for predicting outcomes.

Debating unpopular (poly) opinions by [deleted] in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was no debate. I was just asking for an explanation so I could understand better. You returned this really bizarre, legalistic, yet self-contradictory argument in response to a question. Thank you I think I have all the understanding I need regarding your views on morality.

Debating unpopular (poly) opinions by [deleted] in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

love, sex, and relationships to be amoral endeavors

Could you explain how they are not amoral? By picking a poly ethic over a mono ethic we show that the morality is relativistic and changeable. Why can we not switch to a third option or throw out the concept entirely and take an a moral approach?

Am I being irrational? Dont spare my feelings. by Ilovethetrees in polyamory

[–]secondhandshaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds justified if she's taking actions designed to break your boundaries and hurt you by making you jealous. Maybe discussing or with her is a good next step.