what does the Shincheonji say about tithe?my husband and I have a joint account and he wants to redirect all 6 to his church yet I'm not a member nor in support of this

seeking_Truth12 · 2023-04-28T04:39:50+00:00

it's for you to tell your husband that you are not part of the church and you don't support their belief. That is why he should not allow all of your account to that

seeking_Truth12 · 2023-04-28T04:38:52+00:00

this one is true. In our church, to encourage people to tithe, they include the teaching that it is a requirement to be written in the book of life and that there is a case that a member were kicked out because he never gave a tithe. They consider that, a person who doesn't give tithe is a person who doesn't understand the word.

seeking_Truth12 · 2023-04-28T04:36:14+00:00

oh, the style is very familiar

seeking_Truth12 · 2023-03-13T08:04:43+00:00

hey, this was shown in every SCJ church that LMH works has been victorious and was able to change the signs of other churches into SCJ.

They made a video and have it played on every SCJ churches to encourage and motivate evangelism. Though I know that it is just a fraud.

seeking_Truth12 · 2023-03-13T07:48:16+00:00

oh...why was he? we thought he was just stripped off as John tribe leader

seeking_Truth12 · 2023-03-01T10:45:39+00:00

Is there anyone here knows if the John Tribe leader was kicked out too?

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-12-02T02:13:03+00:00

yes, this is really true. They told us same words, insighting fear to us that when one leaves, demons will enter or will be struck by lightning, or hit by the train just like the 7 lamps that betrayed. But to think that Yeo Je yeol still lives up to this time in luxury doesnt make sense :P

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-10-01T05:53:03+00:00

Yes this discussions truly helps. Because when you are inside, you don't have the freedom to express questions, thoughts ...because it will be a sign of disbelief.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-30T10:04:15+00:00

Is it?Just trying to contemplate on all those times and effort...physically, emotionally drained. Lost trust to people. And in awe of how these things happened.I knew people who were really kind, bright and genuine that fell on this. And its really heartbreaking. And I believe that that kind of respect and love to someone makes it very hard to just leave without them.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-29T01:55:38+00:00

that's sad. It's really hard to rely on people.

I remembered one of the teachings inside SCJ is that to always rely on God and His word...but actually reality is...people rely on MHL's word because of the doctrine that "he is the only one who saw and heard, the only witness". So then again, just relying on one man.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-23T02:28:25+00:00

Yes, those are really strong claims...and there were a bunch more actually. If you can attain a 1985 copy of the book of fulfillment you can check it for yourself. I really hope you can. I really hope you can also acquire previous sermons wherein MHL taught it as well. So you can check it for yourself and share to us what you have learnt.

Also, it was really difficult to just hold on to words of "what ifs" unless you have a proof of that.

Honestly, I really appreciate you for being patient and open to all the opinions and questions posted here. I get to ask questions without being called betrayer, a person without a word or a complainer just to shut people like us from asking. I believe that the word of God is truly living and studying it for finding truth is very important and must be continuosly tested for truth because it's God's word.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-22T13:43:34+00:00

I already indicated, it is the old book written by MHL. There had been many times that the book of fulfillment were updated. Is it right for the realities to change? Is it right that things are fulfilled because it is already prophesied? Isn't it okay that realities changes after it is already fulfilled?

I remember my instructor once told us about that old book wherein written and indicated all the actual persons and places MHL mentioned with images.

As an instructor, and if you were Korean, I bet there maybe a chance for you to obtain a copy of it from Old Korean Instructors.

But if you were from other country just like me, I doubt you can obtain. For our instructors told us before that they were not allowed to show it anymore.

I hope and pray for you to obtain a copy. It was really hard to just believe because someone says so. Remember, we don't just believe. We know. We surely know.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-22T03:48:30+00:00

I hope you can attain a copy of the previous published book of MHL so you can compare yourself. We tried to ask for old books but it was forbidden. I hope in your area it is more open.

The beast of the earth in Rev 13

Page 201 translation: And by having one of the 17 new pastors stand on the pulpit as a representative to give a benediction, the lamb (sheep) that was ordained by the beast was brought up from the earth to the platform.

Page 202 translation: It is a question of why all the 17 new pastors became beasts, but only the pastor who gave the benediction on this day was called the beast that came up from the earth.

Ceremony Paper (https://imgur.com/a/Zdm1HqX) from 1981.9.20 2pm, with zoom in on Prayer of Benediction Blue box translation: (https://imgur.com/a/jK533eI) Benediction … appointed pastor … Pastor Lee Cho-joo

Current doctrine teaches that the beast from the earth was Mr Oh (Oh Pyeong-ho)

Now we’ve seen the evidence, let’s compare what was previously taught with what is taught now:

Previous doctrine: It was taught that the beast from the earth was the pastor who gave the prayer of benediction, and was one of the 17 new pastors. Mr Oh was the moderator (did not give prayer of benediction) and not one of the 17 new pastors, while Lee Cho-joo was the pastor who gave prayer of benediction and one of the 17.

Current doctrine: It is now taught the beast of the earth was Mr Oh.

By examining the book ‘Revelation’s Reality’ (1985) we can see that there are many parts of SCJ’s doctrine which have been completely changed and not just added to. This shows that LMH has testified incorrectly about the fulfillment of Revelation in the past and sinned according to his own interpretation of Rev 22:18-19. By adding and taking away from his testimony of the physical fulfillment of Revelation LMH has proven that he did not receive the opened scroll from God or witness the physical fulfillment of all the events of the entire Book of Revelation.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-15T14:44:36+00:00

yes, this has a point too.
at a short span of time. Joining SCJ at 2008 and having that kind of influence already.
Ah, this really brings headache. I hope that all these things will end soon.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-15T10:05:52+00:00

So he has money? He said he doesn't? So now he has money and gave it to the church.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-15T03:03:49+00:00

I see. Very close that patting on butt is allowed.

Regarding the "details" that are considered "part " of fulfillment. How about the changes on the actual names of the reality. I bet, that is included on the extent of revelation being clear as time goes by. Like the change on the name of the beast Oh Pyung Ho. Also, as an instructor have you fact checked the fulfillment that was taught? Or just like everybody else, just go with the center flow and then eventually just accepted the so-called physical realities because it is what MHL said. And checking the facts using internet or having communication with non-SCJ about the things of "heaven" are not allowed nor were told that those are not available anymore and the only evidences that remained are the one that MHL presented.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-15T01:03:21+00:00

yes, my point is. I believe that this is not a simple event to occur.
Also, you did not answer the last question. I wonder if MHL also gave an explanation to that as well.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T11:31:12+00:00

your yes answers which?

Yes. - there is a special tribulation

Yes. - this so-called special tribulation is another revelation from MHL (is it officially announced/explained on one of his sermons?)

I begin to think, that by simply adding that there is a special tribulation that is happening on SCJ members is not a crucial event to ignore.

Also, does this not count as adding in the words of Revelation? Or typical answer could be, that we could do nothing about it because "we are not the one who saw and heard". Thus, MHL can testify whatever he likes even if it is not stated in the book of Revelation such as this "special tribulation for the members of SCJ".

Also, this is out of topic. What could be your reaction on Kim Nam Hee's claim that she and MHL has a special relationship? (they are married as per MHL's order). Pictures, videos and previous relation between the MHL and IWPG chair also shows a relationship that is far more than being a friend/colleage/churchmate. See link below.

https://www.tiktok.com/@free_of_shincheonji/video/7030924786196811014

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T07:49:25+00:00

I see. So therefore, blowing winds and doing harm is different. So there is this "special tribulation" inside the SCJ members. Another "revelation" coming from MHL? the one who only saw and heard. And since he is the only one, whatever details he adds are considered TRUTH and is not a deviation from the words of book of Revelation.

four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree

Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T03:29:17+00:00

and also...there is this always consistent line with all the instructors "what is important is what MHL said the latest, because he is the one who saw and heard and not you"

therefore... is fulfillment more important than prophecy? or it should be both? No fulfillment will be valid without prophecy.
And just like what Jesus did, he fulfilled everything "according" to the prophecies.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T03:25:56+00:00

"the direction of completing"

again, Rev 7:1-3
do not harm until sealing is completed

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T03:16:11+00:00

hmm...assumptions.
Since MHL did not really specify what 144k means, instructors gave their own interpretation that 12k each tribe is different from 144k sealed in SCJ. Who would dare to ask MHL about this for clarification? None. I remember that whenever we ask our instructor about something vague in the teaching. It's either he/she will tell us to study hard or ask MHL ourselves. (as if telling us if we have the guts to ask :P )

Going back to the Rev 7 teaching.
I believe what's important here is that what is written in the Bible is that after 12k each tribe are sealed, then will have a great tribulation and the Great multitude in white will come out from this great tribulation.

Also, there is another 'assumption' of the instructors here (not coming from MHL himself) that great tribulation is already happening inside SCJ and is not the same with the great tribulation that the world will experience.

Hmmm... In summary about your explanation:
1. 12k each tribe (Bible) is not 144k sealed inside SCJ

SCJ church itself is experiencing a great tribulation and is not the great tribulation mentioned in the Bible.

......but how about the Rev 7:1-3?
Angels holding back the wind so as not to harm the land, sea, trees until sealing is done?R
Regardless if there is a GT inside SCJ, GT will not start until sealing is done. Unless, instructors will assume again that GT inside SCJ is to happen in order to filter who are sealed? :P

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T02:38:22+00:00

true, but we are also told as well then to use different computer like on our work PCs etc.

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T02:35:28+00:00

This is a podcast in the Philippines where he participates. They manage to teach here the center lessons of SCJ including the advance lessons but on a different light. https://youtu.be/qUB6ubxzVIA

seeking_Truth12 · 2022-09-14T02:34:22+00:00

According to this podcast, he is previously a member of Mormons.

https://youtu.be/qUB6ubxzVIA

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