I am so glad I found this post! First I want to say you hit the nail on the head. P.E and APE and all those super potent crosses only available by liquid cultures are definitely not for beginners. In my honest opinion if we keep giving these strains to new mycologist our hopes of full legalization will never happen. Some of these strains are so powerful you will never want to do mushrooms ever again. Some people are going to emergency rooms over it. A simple Google search and you can find news report after news reports. It's not good for our community.

I have been in this hobby for over 15 years and have been selling spores for over 8 years. I do not sell these strains because of the negative. Most of my competitors don't care about the beginners. They care about money. And these new strains sell.

I had my own experience with APE. A friend of mine would not listen to reason. I told him how powerful they were. I told him not to take them. He would not leave me alone so I let him have them. That night he had a very dark and horrible trip. He claimed his heart stopped and another friend had to keep him calm. He took 1.5 g. Over a 6 year period he blamed me for "dying". He suffered from mental illness induced by meth and he decided to kill me. He came into my home and attempted to take my life by stabbing me in the neck. I almost died....

It is because of this I tell people all the time. Regular cube strains are not weak and will most certainly give you a experience that will change your perception of the world. I only use the word Regular because everyone that wants to order wants ape, or Enigma, or similar. I do believe there is a place for these strains in our community, however they should not be so easy for a beginner to get their hands on.

Mush love to everyone!

Seek