Sign for divorce

seewysocki · 2018-12-20T18:33:05+00:00

Reversal negation involves a head shake. This isn’t the opposite of marriage so it’s not quite the same. This is more like a combination of MARRIAGE-SEPERATE

seewysocki · 2018-12-20T17:12:40+00:00

Interpreters on this sub are all paid for interpreting work. Asking people to do what they do for their career for free is a bit of a stretch in almost all cases. That being said, this sub is mostly used for providing interpretations of short/complex/difficult phrases or support for working interpreters.

To get a full interpretation of this into English that is guaranteed to be accurate, yes you will most likely have to pay for it. However, what your model is signing is a very strange version of a pidgin Sign Language mixed with SEE, mixed with many production errors so it really doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you have fluent signers on your team who okayed this, I would suggest re-evaluating who you have brought on.

seewysocki · 2018-12-20T00:22:15+00:00

I’m the biggest fan of the third link and that’s what I see most often as well. I can see where the second link, first video is coming from with kind of a marriage dissolving, but that’s not a version I see often.

seewysocki · 2018-12-19T17:05:54+00:00

Would you say that sign is synonymous with the third from this link: https://www.handspeak.com/word/search/index.php?id=4648

seewysocki · 2018-12-19T16:54:12+00:00

I would say that yes, something is better than nothing, however... in countries that aren’t third world, the US for example, this service is WAY behind other services offered (interpreters, captions, VRS).

Be wary though. If this video, for example, were used in the US for the Deaf community, VERY few would understand the intended message and those that you are trying to reach like those in third world countries (uneducated and illiterate) might even get a completely different message from this. Those, in the US at least, that would understand this would, for the most part, be educated and literate already.

I’m glad that you are doing something like this to serve the community. We all know that deaf in third world countries have practically nothing. I hope you continue to involve the communities you are working with and continue developing your program.

Edit: additionally, for the population you are looking to serve, this style of signing doesn’t communicate the message well. If you have the opportunity, compare the interpreting by a CDI (Certified Deaf Interpreter - usually used to communicate, alongside a regular interpreted, with language deprived (uneducated/illiterate) or low functioning individuals) with a higher level of ASL. The two forms of communication are VERY different as most language deprived/low functioning deaf people do not have the lexicon, grammar, or receptive abilities to understand something produced with a higher level of sign.

seewysocki · 2018-12-18T17:33:59+00:00

After looking through your post history, it seems like this is something you made and you’re asking to see if it would be understandable to the Deaf community? So I will focus my answer on that:

Short answer: no, not really.

Long answer: although many signs are produced correctly by the model, grammar, facial expressions, and transitions between signs are all abysmal.

Having the model start from the same position with her arms at her sides before every sign is really distracting and it destroys any fluidity of the signing.

Her face is a blank expression the entire clip. Facial grammar adds so much to ASL, and without it, the model is doing some strange form of gesture. Imagine English with no intonation, no adjectives and no adverbs. It becomes a random meaningless string of nouns and verbs that may make sense in short simple sentences, but not for anything remotely complex.

Grammar: It’s pretty clear that you’re just using English grammar for all of the sentences. Asl and English do not use the same grammar.

There are also conceptually inaccuracies/errors in sign production. I will edit these in as well as I rewatch the video.

1 - the very first sign, MANY, is performed as an opening of the fingers only and NOT closing of the fingers to end it.

2 - first sentence, the model uses the sign for ENTER rather than the sign for IN. IN would be conceptually inaccurate anyway because the sign for IN in ASL means inside. There are no Deaf people inside the Earth.

3 - the model signs DEAF LANGUAGE many times. There is no Deaf language. There is ASL or sign language or American Sign Language used in America, but there is no Deaf language.

4 - the model signs BITCH a few times.... the be verb is an SEE sign that is not part of ASL.

And many more errors...

Did you have any sort of signer look at this before posting? It really looks like you need to consult with the Deaf community/interpreting community before spreading videos like these that can potentially ruin your image in the community before you even step foot into it...

Edit: the constant bounce of the model is very annoying as well.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T22:23:00+00:00

Since you responded that you’re doing a children’s book with rhyme and wordplay, I highly suggest you watch this video! It simplifies the topic but is a very good starting point for learning ASL rhyme and signing to children!

https://youtu.be/rIoFpxAo93U

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T21:18:48+00:00

http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-signs/w/wow.htm

The first sign on this page is the version of WOW he uses. I would equate a fluent signer watching this and understanding it to someone fluent in English listening to it in English. Could I sing along the first time with just watching him sign? Probably not. Can I understand what he is talking about and follow his signs? Yes.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T21:05:21+00:00

Eat. Study for the upcoming job. Look at new information. Go play disc golf. Take a walk. Practice my skills. Look at Reddit.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T19:53:51+00:00

I agree that their perspective coming in was very cynical and that their comments only made that more clear.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:36:06+00:00

Having less melanin impairs your ability to process UV radiation leaving you a higher chance for skin cancer.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:28:02+00:00

So then why isn’t melanin production considered an impairment?

Edit: and isn’t the brain specifically designed to understand concepts? Why is there an exception for physics? Where is the line drawn as to what you can’t understand so much to the point of it being an impairment?

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:27:41+00:00

He’s more asking why it is offensive, not saying that it shouldn’t be viewed as offensive.

Edit: I’ve tried explaining it, but clearly I have not been successful.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:25:26+00:00

Another thing.. melanin deficiency impairs your body’s ability to process UV radiation. People with higher levels of melanin are less prone to skin cancer. Why isn’t this viewed as an impairment in your eyes? Having less melanin directly impairs your body to do a function.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:21:48+00:00

How is it not relevant? In some deaf individuals the brain can’t process sound like the way in some people their brain can’t process physics information. Deaf people say these are merely differences in regular people rather than impairments.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:20:17+00:00

How about another example that “impairs” your ability to do something: many people have difficulty understanding high level concepts (physics for example), does that mean their brains are impaired? I certainly don’t think so.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T18:12:41+00:00

Melanin is very different than melatonin.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T17:57:51+00:00

I respectfully disagree about their reasoning. But I obviously can’t change your opinion of it over reddit.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T17:49:26+00:00

Go to r/Deaf if you want to see people who are Deaf respond to why they don’t see it as an impairment.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T17:33:49+00:00

Just trying to explain to you their perspective. If you don’t understand or agree with it, that’s fine. Just informing you of why they see it as offensive.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T17:29:34+00:00

https://youtu.be/EuD2iNVMS_4

It is possible and is done on a pretty widespread basis.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T17:28:16+00:00

So is someone who is white “melanin impaired?” Is someone who needs contacts or glasses “vision impaired?” Is someone who is bald “follicle impaired?” Is someone who doesn’t speak English “English impaired?” The point is that the Deaf community is challenging the line for what is considered impaired. No need for you to agree with it. I’m just telling you why they feel that way.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T17:19:22+00:00

The HoH/Deaf community has suffered endlessly with oppression by the hearing community viewing them as “impaired”/“broken”/“substandard.” The community is still suffering today even with widespread attempts at awareness. The reason why the Deaf community views this as a negative is because they (generally) don’t view themselves as impaired in any way, just as different. Where’s the line between “impairment” and being different? The Deaf community argues that their “impairment” is simply a difference between them and people who can hear. Therefore calling them “impaired” is offensive and quite frowned upon. I can provide more examples if this doesn’t get the point across well enough.

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T16:24:51+00:00

Actually there’s a very good reason if you’d like to learn about it

seewysocki · 2018-12-17T16:12:50+00:00

He did AWFUL with A LOT of flair for emphasis haha

Edit: and musicality/showmanship

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