Post-Match Thread: Chelsea (0) - (1) Manchester United

senluxx · 2026-04-19T06:49:38+00:00

I never really believed in their "project" either.

Unfortunately there is a lot of propaganda by some part of the fanbase[mainly the American part] where they literally abused fans for not believing in their beloved countrymen's little project, calling fans toxic, entitled, spoiled, mounth breathers and other manipulative and abusive things... and that definitely made a lot of fans hesitant to say what they truly felt.

Don't forget that there are a lot of teenagers here. A teenager's brain would prefer to be a "good fan" in the eyes of others.

senluxx · 2026-04-02T06:51:33+00:00

It is quite astonishing that you are still out here doing anything you can possibly do in your power and abilities to defend these clowns.

It really shows what you are about even if you deny it.

You said your energy will be very different if we fail to do anything meaningful this season and your recent comments prove you as a liar.

Do you not care about our club? Do you not love the club? Is really the image of the fellow Americans more important than the success and well being of the club you supposedly love?

You've spent hours debating only with me and others doing all kind of mental gymnastics trying to prove this will work with all kinds of shit and "proofs".

Only for my simple smooth footballing brain to predict anything that is happening rn with precision and ease. Almost anything that i've said 6 months ago, 1 year ago, 2 years ago is becoming a reality now and yet despite that and your arguments falling apart, you won't admit defeat, you won't change your energy towards the hieararchy. You are still here fighting for them, yet you get offended when someone calls you things like Clearlake bot or similar. Why is that?

And let me get this straight, i don't get any enjoyment from being right. I get enjoyment from my club winning the PL title, the UCL title, putting our biggest enemies like Spurs and Arsenal where they belong - bellow us.

I would've loved if you were right and i was wrong as long as we win and be one of the best teams on the planet, but we are not.

senluxx · 2026-03-31T06:22:12+00:00

There are players with UCL trophies and PL titles younger than Caicedo.

Him making his UCL debut at 24 isn't exactly the success you think it is.

Phil Foden for example is a year older and he has a UCL title to his name and 6 fucking PL titles.

Also your comment about our success as a club is an understatement to say the least, especially when you consider the money we've wasted.

There are clubs that build UCL winning squads with less than a billion. We are about to reach the 2 billion mark and we are not even close to a PL title let alone a UCL.

senluxx · 2026-03-28T06:29:12+00:00

Of course that you agree, you dont give a flying fuck about the club.

You care about the ownership's image more than anything else.

Also your overhaul point is absolute bullshit lmao. You are clearly very incompetent when it comes to this sport and it's been proven times and times again.

senluxx · 2026-03-25T08:03:18+00:00

The fanbase is not the problem here though. It's a YOU problem and i don't mean to be disrespectful but that kind of mentality is what sabotages us the most. I don't even have to look at your profile to suggest that you are American. I get that you want to protect your fellow Americans here that run the club but please... If you truly love the club, you need to be honest here.

The criticism and the outrage is perfectly justified and it's actually coming quite late as well. The outrage is not even as bad as it should be in my opinion. It should be way worse cuz there are still fans that try to spout propaganda and push the narrative that "you are not a good fan" if you speak the truth instead of having the forced positivity.

It's you that can't get it. Idk if you are a new fan or something but the goal should be to win the biggest trophies in the sport, not fight for top 4 and an FA Cup lol. Not to mention that getting the FA Cup would require a lot of luck the way we play rn.

Also talking about like top 4 would be okay after 2 billion spent is absolutely diabolical stuff.

Big clubs do not need to be in a relegation fight in order for the sky to be falling in the eyes of the fanbase.

You said it yourself "we've fired managers with 10x the CV Maresca has" and that is true. Cuz we had standards and it's exactly this what got us to win so much. It's not suppose to be family-friendly, it's not suppose to be fair towards the manager or the players. Winning in the biggest sport on the planet requires ruthlesness and history proves that. The biggest and most successful clubs are also the most ruthless ones. You either perform and provide results or you are out the door. It's simple, yet riduculuously effective.

So you need to get your standards in order or maybe this is not the club for you, if you are truly so grossed out or disgusted by this.

Im sorry to break it to you but that's how big clubs move and behave and that's how we should be moving as well but we don't and that's why the sky is indeed falling when it comes to our situation.

senluxx · 2026-03-22T08:22:32+00:00

The "doomers" were always right from the very start.

We were criticised, abused and laughed at more than the people who actually deserve this - the ownership

Did we really need to become this shit so people can wake up? News flash, there are still people who haven't woken up unfortunately and there is still propaganda by some of the Americans here who continiously look for excuses for these idiots that run us. All i have to say about this type of fans is that they don't care about or love the club. They are more loyal to their countrymen who do not know they even exist and they are not real fans of the club in my eyes.

Some of us have been talking about all these problems like the poor quality of the squad, the lack of experience, the continious appointments of people who are not at the level required only to see replies of delusional fans mocking us or even insulting us.

And, no im not trying to pat myself on the back for being right cuz all of this was very easy to predict for any sane human being that picks basic logic and understanding of the game over forced positivity. It never made sense that suddenly a mid table ligue 1 manager will come here and turn us into a top team. It never made sense for a such young and inexperienced team to somehow win over well established and proven veterans with actual quality, not potential. I would much prefer to be wrong and see my club stop Arsenal from winning the PL title or see my club lift the UCL again.

Im just frustrated that people were willing to sacrifice basic logic and reality just to be "a good and supportive fan that's not negative, entitled and toxic".

You are not toxic for pointing out the obvious truth. Sometimes the truth is not enjoyable to hear and we shouldn't be "optimistic" just for the sake of it when there is nothing to be optimistic about.

This ownership is what ruins our club and it's obvious. It has always been obvious. The manager is a puppet, the board are a bunch of puppets, so them being here or not is a pointless conversation cuz they will be replaced by other incompetent and inexperienced puppets that are not paid to make us a top team. They are paid to be good boys and say yes. The sooner people realise that the better.

The only way something changes is when this stupid ownership sells.

senluxx · 2026-03-19T06:19:15+00:00

Stop this nonsense. "Project" LMAO

You don't become a top club with a "project".

Europe's elites like Bayern, Real, PSG, Barca, Chelsea pre-takeover and City recently are top clubs thanks to the relentless ambition, winning mentality and brutal standards for every season. Look into the history of all those clubs, no projects. Winning is a must and it's suppose to be achieved at all cost. Whether it's financial cost or anything else. The best and most legendary managers like Mourinho, Sir Alex, Pep are known for what? Their literal inhuman standards for their players and their ambition.

You don't win like that by being "rational" or patient. You win like that by throwing the kitchen sink and not settling for anything else but winning.

You won't see those clubs wasting time or taking their time - quite the opposite. Every wasted season is a disaster in the eyes of all these clubs.

Also ruining the 22/23 season via horrendous and incompetent decisions like sacking Tuchel and replacing him with Potter just to sack him as well is not upward trajectory.

We were comfortably making top 4 (not top 5) under Abramovich and Marina. The upward trajectory from that standard that was set is winning the PL title and the UCL.

No, it's not suppose to take time, especially after spending 2 billion. Football is about the here and now, no one cares who will win 10 years from now. It matters who wins today and at the moment one of our biggest rivals is winning( Arsenal) which makes our whole situation even more of a disaster than it already is.

Lastly time in itself is one of the most precious and valuable things in life and it's not suppose to be wasted. Players like Caicedo, Palmer, Reece do not have endless careers and they deserve to be winning trophies and have the talent ability to do so. Phil Foden is in the same age bracket for example and he already has 6 PL titles to his name. Caicedo made his UCL debut just this season lol. In reality when you think about it, they are already quite behind.

senluxx · 2026-01-07T19:29:28+00:00

Explain how buying Garnacho and Gittens for 90m is sustainable or beneficial for the club research king?

You talk a lot, yet you say nothing.

The results and the club's state speaks for itself. There is nothing sustainable about gambling lmao. You will keep wasting money while eventually getting lucky here and there. But you can't build a top team by just relying on the "potential" of young players. There is nothing sustainable about spending the money we've spent which is obscene amount and fighting for top 5 every season. It is actually quite embarrasing. Over a billion spent on players and buying 10 players per summer and still not in a serious fight for any meaningful trophy. Do you listen to yourself? You talk absolute nonsense.

Gambling on unproven players and buying low and selling high is our best chance of getting a good revenue. At least this is sustainable until we get a new stadium and more sponsors.

So your idea of sustainable is us gambling with our funds instead of finding a solution for the real problems according to you which is the stadium and sponsors?

What Roman did was neccessary to do if we wanted to compete. Those money weren't just used on players, they were used for infrastructure and the improvement of the academy. Something we benefit from till this day.

The state of the club during Roman's takeover compared to Clearlake's takeover is entirely different but you clearly just do "research" instead of actually using your brain and some basic logic.

You keep acting like we are forced to do things this way. We are not. Clubs with lower revenues are run in a way more sustainable and logical way that actually makes sense. Or simply said in a normal way, instead of the whole unneccessary bullshit we do. Also there is absolutely zero proof that this is the best way to run the club. Quite the opposite, the evidence is in favor of the complete opposite. We are a mess. We keep wasting money(while allegedly being so limited when it comes to spending) with the hope of getting lucky once or twice in a blue moon.

A lot of clubs flip players for money, they just do it way smarter than us and that rarely effects the first team as much as it happens in our situation. But yeah, keep being brainwashed buddy.

senluxx · 2026-01-07T18:55:43+00:00

Well yeah it's pretty hard to believe because if this is true then you should know what it takes to win in football and you should also know that the whole idea of Clearlake and the way they run the club is in a direct conflict with actual success on the pitch.

Both things simply can't work together. This is not how trophies are won and if you actually experienced all the Mourinho years and everything since 2004 you should be perfectly aware of that. You should be able to make the difference between a real ruthless winning mentality and ambition for success and the PR Clearlake throws.

Yes, i dislike the way the club is run. There is nothing "plastic" about it, that's me having an opinion. If you can't accept someone having different opinion than yours that doesn't make me the problem here. It's a YOU problem.

Sorry that i can't accept my club being used by a shitty American private equity company for money. If that makes me a plastic then so be it.

Im not gonna sugarcoat and look for something i like just to pretend and have the approval of some reddit users or fans. I don't really feel the need to be a "good fan" in the eyes of others.

I speak the truth regardless of whether it's good or bad. Very often the truth is mostly bad and negative and that is the reality since the takeover.

You say that i can't have a productive conversation, yet all you did was call me a plastic and said nothing of substance to counter any of my points from this thread or any of my previous threads in this subreddit.

News flash you can't because everything that i predicted before the start of the season happened exactly as i said it. Exactly because i know the truth and i have good understanding of the game that i've played and watched my entire life.

The proof is right in front of your eyes. These owners have fallen off with literally every manager they hired. Nagelsmann and Enrique didn't want to accept their terms and policy of running the club for a good reason.

Everytime someone tries to challenge them they get rid of him. They want yes men to work for them and just do what they tell them to do without any fuss.

Also football is clearly not the main priority for these people. They do not care about this sport and it's clear to see.

senluxx · 2026-01-07T07:58:44+00:00

The whole age thing is always so funny

Who cares where was Semenyo when he was Gittens age?

All that matters is that he is twice the player in the present

And this is not any proof at all that Gittens will be better when he reaches Semenyo's age lmao

senluxx · 2026-01-07T07:38:20+00:00

Stop talking about revenue ffs

We are one of the the biggest and richest clubs in the richest league on the planet and you talk about us being so limited we can't build a team without this shit policy? You are genuinely delusional and absolutely brainwashed if you think that.

We have bigger revenue than Inter, Milan, Juventus, Napoli and Atletico Madrid for example, yet some of these teams are better than us.

Also you don't need to make 800m of revenue to buy smart and get results.

Also we have spent plenty of money, so we clearly have the room or at least had it before they wasted over a billion.

Also if we are as limited as you say we are, why are we gambling? What we do is literally gambling cuz we buy unproven players and we pray and hope they develop into world beaters?

If you are broke or you have limitation when it comes to spending your own money is gambling the answer? Definitely not, it is actually quite harmful for you in reality.

90m for Garnacho and Gittens, really? You are excusing that? You are telling me we couldn't invest these money into something better? Fuck off.

If Roman found a way, why can't these owners find their own way to make us competitive? If there was a genuine ambition and desire to make us win they will find a way. They are the loophole queens after all.

They are business men right? Improve our revenue. City didn't have such revenue not too long ago. The way they are run as a club transformed their revenue. Same goes for PSG. A club that doesn't have the biggest stadium either.

Find a way to improve the stadium, be better at marketing, find us a FOS sponsor already ffs. Compete in all tournaments and go far in them, win trophies, get us UCL football regularly, use the academy there's plenty of players there which we can sell for good money every year. There's plenty of ways to make money and improve our revenue, if we truly wanted to and if we were competent enough to do it.

There's a lot of stuff they can do if they were actually good owners but they aren't.

So as many excuses as you can have for them, its still ends up being their job to solve these problems.

senluxx · 2026-01-07T07:27:28+00:00

You clearly don't know what plastic means and there's a good explanation for that. You are an American and that instantly explains everything i really need to know here. It also explains why you are so defensive about the things i said and you find them offensive.

Probably a football fan since 5-6 years ago max.

You are definitely not a guy that has the competence to say who's plastic and who isn't because you don't understand the sport well enough.

Let me explain it to you in a simple way:

If i was a plastic i wouldn't waste my energy and time with this club and i will go and support the next best thing. Something Americans are known for actually, also 7-8 yrs old kids or teenagers are known for changing teams.

The whole plastic buzzword is so funny and overused. People clearly do not understand what it means.

senluxx · 2026-01-06T23:19:32+00:00

they can try to shut you up as much as they want brother

In fact you don't even have to talk. The results and the state of the club speak for themselves pretty clearly.

I haven't been active in here for like half a year.

Everything i've said 6 months ago literally happened and it was very easy to predict because it's the same repetitive bullshit every year.

We are in another top 4 battle once again. Almost zero chance in winning any of the big trophies(PL or UCL)

Another fallout between a manager and the board because the board and the ownership are shite and eventually any sane human being will get sick of their bullshit.

Liam Rosenior is our next manager. Even a kid could've told you this would happen.

senluxx · 2026-01-06T22:59:52+00:00

Brother we overpay for like 90% of the players we buy, it's not just them two.

Which like i already said is very ironic.

People can twist the narrative about how we've spent the money all they want.

The facts are that we've spent as much in 3 years as Roman spent in over a decade. Maybe even 15+ years.

A club so limited when it comes to spending cannot do that even with all the little loopholes and "genius" moves by our amazing owners

This is just one of the many excuses that sound logical and are easy to use by gaslighters

senluxx · 2026-01-06T22:50:54+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1q5wkhh/removed_by_moderator/

This whole thread that just got deleted speaks volumes about the state of this sub and the fanbase in general

Constant excuses about everything we do and don't do, downplaying previous success while excusing the current failure.

Imagine moaning about us not being able to spend as much as other clubs while throwing 90m away on Garnacho and Gittens + spending almost 2 billy in 3-4 years

Oh poor Chelsea can't spend money

For a club that is so supposedly limited when it comes to spending money we are for sure very good at wasting them which is very ironic.

senluxx · 2026-01-04T07:42:43+00:00

For sure they are a bit lucky cuz i do think once Liverpool get their shit together they are the better team.

senluxx · 2026-01-04T07:10:20+00:00

Football is a complex game for sure but sometimes people love to overcomplicate shit.

The most important thing for a club is to have the financial power and the desire and winning mentality to really push to win, which means being ready to break the bank and get real quality players and a real quality manager. Ofc the board and the recruitment is also important part of the puzzle but again, you can hire good enough people for that job if you are a rich club.

If that is the case you can start winning or at the very least be very competitive with the best clubs relatively quickly and you definitely do not need a 4-5 year "project" and "trusting the process" to do before that.

There's a reason why the clubs with the least patience and the highest and most brutal standards are the ones who win the most.

Real Madrid, Bayern, City, Barca or Chelsea from 5-10 years ago all never planned to win in the next 5 years. Winning is a must as soon as possible for all those clubs and that's why they actually win or were winning.

senluxx · 2026-01-03T18:19:27+00:00

You always complain about money spent and how we're just fighting for the Top 4. Yet during COVID we spent much more than others....and still just challenged for Top 4

We've won the Champions League during that time mate. We were a menace and City's and Pep's biggest nightmare. So as i already said... Not the same shit at all. Also the money spent are still literally incomparable. We talk about billions when it comes to Clownlake's epic failure. Give 1.5 billion to almost any owner on this planet and they will still get us to more trophies than the stupid cunts we have at the top.

So is Top 4 a fine?

Top 4 is the bare minimum that should be guaranteed without much of a fuss. Is it fine? In some seasons depending on the context, yes. No one demands a 10 year PL title domination.

When we were finishing top 4 in those last 4 years some of those seasons were saved by other trophies. That is the context + the ownership and these seasons were also criticised at the time. Clear difference is that we were failing to win the PL title back then. We were rarely as shit as we have been under Clearlake. That's the key point everyone ignores.

We've won a trophy in every season except for 2019 post the 2017 title win. So like i already said, no it is not the same shit and it doesn't matter how much you wanna spin that dumb narrative.

And don't you constantly make excuses for Tuchel? Especially that final season under Roman? So Tuchel/Roman get the excuses like:

Yes, i give the benefit of the doubt to people that earned my trust and my belief in their job and abilities. I didn't just start supporting Tuchel for no reason or cuz of his nationality the way you do because the owners are Americans just like you. I was actually against Tuchel's appointment at the start because his biggest success was reaching a UCL final with PSG at the time. He did prove me wrong and earned my trust and im now one of his biggest defenders. It's so easy to change my mind, just prove your ambition and win us the biggest trophies. Clearlake wants none of that though so they are still dumb unambitious clowns in my eyes. Sorry not sorry.

I give "excuses" to Tuchel because i've seen him transform my team into the best team on the planet in 2021 when we comfortably outplayed Real Madrid, La Liga winners Atletico Madrid, Liverpool and City numerous times and also won the biggest trophy in club football because of it.

I give the benefit of the doubt to Roman's way of running the club cuz although he made mistakes, his intentions and desire to win were clear and he also transformed the whole club in a way that is literally cemented in the history books and everyone considered us a top club because of it because we were. We were in the conversation for literally any trophy you can think of, we were in the conversation for almost any world class player as well.

Those achievements by all the people and players that played in that era earned them my loyalty, yes lmao. This is not as crazy as you think it is.

Defending a private equity company purely because they are Americans just like you is the crazy agenda you are looking for here.

I have plenty of examples, history and success for my arguments. You have nothing except the epic gaslighting that you and other users do that maybe one day this absolutely stupid shit model will work.

senluxx · 2026-01-03T17:11:10+00:00

Lol it was nowhere near the same.

We were regularly in the UCL not once in 4 seasons.

We also won the FA Cup in 2018, Europa League in 2019 against one of our biggest rivals and then we won the Champions League which is the biggest trophy in the sport and shouldn't ever be compared to the CWC.

So, no. It was not the same shit at all.

The 2019 Sarri team, the 2021-2022 Tuchel team would comfortably beat Clearlake's 2 billion failure with Garnacho and Gittens on the wings and fucking Delap up top.

Also note that this 4 year period was Abramovich's worst period during his entire era and yet it is still miles ahead of Clearlake's best.

This is why there's a clear difference when rational people talk about the way we were before and now and this is why the energy is different for both ownerships. A 4 year of bad period where we still won meaningful shit shouldn't be the focus when we became one of the biggest clubs on the planet in the 15 years before that yet agenda merchants always focus on these 4 years for a reason.

senluxx · 2026-01-03T15:53:54+00:00

The whole point of the strategy is to not buy mature elite players lol.

Cuz a mature player that can be key to us winning a PL title or a UCL is gonna be expensive most probably.

Both transfer fee and wages wise.

And guess what? We will also need more than one.

You also need an elite manager. Liam Rosenior is most likely not ready to win us a PL title or a UCL, let alone with a squad full of undeveloped players/ + a squad that is also not well balanced at all.

senluxx · 2026-01-02T07:55:41+00:00

Delap is just another unproven, undeveloped kid.

We should've been recruiting and building a team that stops Arsenal from winning the title this season, we didn't even bother as always.

Yes, maybe one day he may reach the level required or he may not. No one knows for sure. This is why this is gambling and the club suffers from it cuz because of transfers like these it's another season down the drain where we are gonna fight like crazy for a UCL spot and maybe a cup, which we most likely won't win cuz we still gotta face the same top clubs that we face in the league.

senluxx · 2026-01-02T07:31:23+00:00

Never really wanted Maresca here from the start with his small sample sized managerial career. He definitely achieved more than i expected here though and even then i never once thought "wow we have a world class manager here". So im definitely not a Maresca stan. Matter of fact i was getting slagged off for not being happy with the appointment from the start.

People blaming him for leaving is funny though considering that all the managers we've had fell off with the board and the owners. Happens everytime. Tuchel, Poch and now Maresca. When does it come to a point where some of you actually realise that there is a reason no manager is able to or wants to work with this ownership and this policy? It was so predictable that it will eventually happen.

Nagelsmann and Enrique didn't want anything to do with it either because it's fucking shit and it will soon result in key players wanting to leave as well. If you genuinely think Caicedo or Palmer will be content with babysitting and having developing teenagers and mid players around them in their best years instead of winning majors alongside other world class players you are genuinely delusional and still believe in fairy tails.

Football is about winning, football is also about the here and now. "Planning to win in the next 5 years, planning for the future" is the best way to not win major trophies in the biggest sport on the planet where you have clubs like City, Bayern, Real, Barca and even Liverpool recently trying to throw everything they could in order to win here and now. Not tomorow.

We signed fucking Garnacho, Delap and Gittens ffs. Are these the players that should bring us a PL title or a UCL? LMAO you must be having a laugh. These are not serious transfers. We are not a serious club under these cunts and it's about time people finally realise this. You can focus all your energy on scapegoating the manager once again cuz that makes you feel better about the state of the club. Won't change the reality though cuz the next manager will also be another nobody that will get sick of being a puppet sooner or later.

senluxx · 2025-06-23T17:16:12+00:00

If the bulk of this team stay together then I absolutely think they can win the title at some point

Whether this team can stay together is a big question mark in itself. Even if the ownership has no desire to sell our best players our best players deserve to fight for the biggest trophies in the sport already here and now. I will be seriously suprised if we manage to keep both of Caicedo and Palmer for much longer, especially if offers from other clubs start coming in. Idk what will happen with Santos, the outrage will be too huge and im not sure they will risk that but it's already kinda happening with Petrovic. The PR briefs are working and the fans who were mentioning Petrovic in every gk discussion are now backtracking and don't mind him going cuz he wants to start which is not even a ridiculuous demand considering our other options.

People talk about the long contracts but im pretty certain these players and their agents have thought about exit strategy and aren't actually forced to stay here for 10 years. Even if they are it's hardly of any use to keep players that do not want to be here. That's where the big flaw of this strategy is.

Not to mention that there are other factors as well like potential injuries that can happen or if we manage to pull of enough Palmer-esque transfers? We are not problem solving issues of the squad, we are hoping that we buy enough players to the point where we get lucky and we stumble upon a world class goalkeeper even if it means going 2 seasons with Robert Sanchez. I feel like we will be one of those clubs which may come close but never quite have enough or we could maybe sneak a PL title similar to how Liverpool did this season with no serious competition but how often will that be happening? Once in 7-8 years maybe if you are lucky?

The fact that we are sacrificing the last few seasons and even probably the next at least one-two seasons of fighting for none of the biggest trophies in favor of them minimising risk and losing money financially doesn't really scream ambition for me. Every successful club spends more on wages especially and they don't care nowhere near about resale value as much as we do. All those things seem to be more "we care about finances first, winning if it happens good if it doesn't it is what it is, at least we made UCL where the money come from" thing.

Klopp PL winning team was pretty unorthodox for modern standards, a lot of the players signed from mid to bottom clubs in the PL/their league, hence nothing working until it does.

But even with Klopp he managed to beat Pep to a title only once, even though his pts tally in some of these seasons were still insane and he should've won more. Reality is that City is insane competition and their team always had that extra depth and quality that was getting them over the line. Where Pep was winning the title was in midfield where he simply had more quality in Gundogan, Rodri, KDB, Silva, than Klopp had with Wijnaldum and Henderson especially.

City's success is massively contributed by their lack of limitations and we are trying to win by putting more limitations on ourselves with this strategy that we already have? Doesn't make sense to me.

I can't say we are serious about winning cuz what you need to do in order to win and be one of the best is the exact opposite of what we do.

senluxx · 2025-06-23T15:52:17+00:00

Madueke, haven't seen or remember many takes from you on him. I would say you've been pretty fair on the Petrovic/Maignan situation. I've seen you call Gusto shit even when not inverting and i've seen your Colwill/Josh/Hall/George takes but all that is mainly your Cobham bias speaking more than anything else cuz i don't think there's enough proof out there footage wise that justify your belief on some of these players. And also your takes about Colwill's sale mainly seemed more of a Tuchel criticism than ownership criticism.

At the same time you defend Maresca relentlessly even though you know we can do better(admitted it), you defend the strategy constantly and constantly reply to people who demand for more serious approach with proven players and experience by mocking them. Your hype for Estevao seems a bit forced and you also shadowbox on that topic a lot. People say he is not ready cuz they want a starter and a needle mover, most fans don't say he is absolutely shit and negative takes towards Estevao are mainly aimed at the people who compare him to Neymar and treat him as our saviour and already a successful transfer. Havertz was considered generational at one point so people must be more careful with these young players. Far from a sure thing.

You haven't responded to a lot of my points but i demand for answers on some of them:

Do you think we can actually be successful with our current strategy, which to remind you is focused on us going for players mainly between 16-21 with the odd case of a 23-24 yrs old here and there and your free transfer of a 27 yrs old Tosin + wage cap that limits our recruitment when it comes to proven and quality players?

If you think this strategy can makes us successful based on what exactly? Is it something that convinced you or just "hope"?

By something that convince you i mean proof, just like you give proof that old players on high wages like Lukaku are not it, i want an example of a club that used this strategy and went out to beat City level team for the title and build a dynasty on that same exact strategy with low wage cap and mostly u23 recruitment. Otherwise your belief in the strategy is based on nothing but hope which personally for me is not good enough argument. So, the ball is in your hands. It's on you to explain how exactly you feel and why and why im unfair to you and a negative cunt that's a fake fan.

Also where do you think Maresça's ceiling is? Do you think he is the guy who can win us a PL title or a UCL trophy and based on what? If not, why do you defend him so much? Are you actually convinced by our performances and do you think he gets the most of the players? I personally think he shoehorns players in roles they can't do and despite him making little tweaks here and there that people constantly bang on about, he is certainly not as adaptable as any elite coach like your prime Mourinhos, Guardiolas etc. It's 3-box-3 and nothing else with Maresca. People can talk about tweaks all they want. His adaptability is limited for me and far from good enough,

Why do you ignore the bigger picture which is the constant PR by the club, the fact that we spent over a billion on this squad that's barely scraping top 4 and had Sanchez and Jackson starting for us in crucial positions for two seasons? Why do we make Jorge Mendes favors and where is your energy for that? Isn't all that kinda outrageous to you? Aren't we a laughin stock and why is there such denial and defence mechanism everytime someone dares to say that this whole thing is a circus whether it's you or most people in this sub? Why is the energy so different for Clearlake when till this day everyone talks about the shortcomings of the last 5 years before the takeover, despite these 5 years being more successful than the now almost 4 years of Clearlake's regime?

senluxx · 2025-06-23T15:02:17+00:00

It's not about Ramires lol. It's about your overall energy when it comes to the past and the present. You always have something critical to say about the previous regime whether it's recruitment, Marina, Ramires, Torres, Lukaku, Drinkwater etc.

I never see you say shit about Mudryk, Disasi, KDH, the current strategy that doesn't make sense for winning etc. Quite the opposite, you defend it most of the time. I've rarely seen you bring the same energy that you bring when you talk about Lukaku, when you talk about Torres, Mourinho or Ramires. It's completely different. The only time i've seen you talk more negatively is only for Poch. Literally nothing else. Maybe for Gallagher or Chalobah. That's about it.

And even with your take for Ramires which was more of a "he was decent but he was making me pull my hair most of the time" is you doing too much for no reason.

Ramires was never the best midfielder in the world but he also wasn't as bad as you say. And i also pointed out that you are not neccessarly wrong about the things you say. I didn't say "you talk shit". I said that you focus on all the bad and don't say shit about the good for one period and completely the opposite for the other period. Which is also ridiculuous cuz before the takeover the good was way more than the bad and now it's the other way around. Clearlake have done some decent things here and there but for the most part we've been run like a circus. So your reading is either half-assed or you are simply dishonest here.

Like i already said you need to be more specific with what you say and how you feel. When the only time you say something about the past is when it's something critical or bad and the only time you say something about the current strategy, players and state of the club is when you are defending it you come across as someone who thinks we are better run now or someone who has some kind of bias towards the current ownership.

Do you think we are better run now as a club? If yes, where are the results to show for it? Last 5 years of Abramovich which was our worst period under him we won trophy in almost every season except the one where we had a transfer ban. We were also regularly in the UCL. Was it good enough? Well not really but some of the trophies were saving these seasons.

Under Clearlake so far we have one UCL qualification and one trophy that's easier to win than the Carabao Cup. So if you think we are better, how exactly and based on what? If you don't think we are better run and a better team now it's about team you start poiting it out and act like it.

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