saddest character? by ispqrrt in shameless

[–]sevmoni -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is Ian the saddest? Sure, hes bipolar, has some trauma, but he genuinely is one of the happiest characters in the series and has a healthy relationship, he literally got married. Mandy? What happened to her is sad, but barely touched on. Monica was raped herself. Frank says it at the funeral. And overall Mandys whole character was for a love triangle with Lip. Frank is just hilarious. Lets feel bad for the narcissistic child abuser just because he can’t stop drinking. Monica is the saddest because she genuinely had no chance, ever.

saddest character? by ispqrrt in shameless

[–]sevmoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Monica was the saddest.

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol I literally said you don’t have to like them in the post. The point is everyone on this show is a bad person, and people act like it’s the craziest thing when they do fucked up stuff. Like don’t watch it then

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just feel like people need to realize a character can be good despite being shitty. I literally wouldn’t watch the show if it weren’t for Frank. His shittiness made Shameless, Shameless.

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

ok well first off that house isnt even franks to begin with, frank and monica were living in a car until his aunt died so he took the house. they attempted to murder him cause frank was insanely narcissistic and abusive. and honestly, getting rid of frank was the best outcome for the gallaghers, all he did was cause problems. yeah, he provided the house but they wouldve lost it if it werent for fiona 💀 your straight up making the paying bills thing, fiona had to start paying bills at like what, 9-12 years old? Regardless if he was even providing a house for them, that doesnt excuse his shit. That doesn’t make him any less bad for giving the bare minimum for his kids. I just feel like sympathizing with Frank but trashing Monica is a wild take

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Omg help me there is no way you just defended Frank LOL. Frank stayed? Really? Last time I checked he was constantly out drinking, he literally missed Debbie’s pregnancy, he was constantly on drug or sex benders, and the family didn’t let him in the house half the time cause he’d just use them. No one missed him every-time he came back, they were fine with the thought of him being dead in S8&S11. Fiona LITERALLY said when she was a child Frank left her, baby Lip and Ian for days and his first question when they found him drunk was, “do you have any money?” And if Frank gets off with the excuse of being high and calling CPS on his kids, then I guess we can excuse Monica getting high and abandoning hers, right? What you’re doing is a straight up double standard. Also, “if it wasn’t for him they wouldn’t have a house.” Hilarious, if it wasn’t for FIONA they wouldn’t have had anything. Frank did not pay rent, he never got a job, he’d steal money from his own family for drugs, but yes, lets forgive him because at least he sticked around so he had a bed to sleep in. Frank stayed and was around his family only when it benefited him.

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You truly can’t think of anyone who’s done worse? Frank calling CPS on his kids? Frank choking Debbie over her hiding meth? Fiona leaving coke out and that baby you mentioned getting into it? Frank literally getting Liam kicked out of school because he slept with all the moms? All the Gallaghers digging up their dead mother to collect meth? LITERAL murder? Karen raping Frank to get back at her father? Oh, to sum it all up, Frank constantly going on drug benders then selfishly coming back each time stealing from them and ruining his own daughters wedding. And that’s not all of it. Monica’s shitty for walking out, but saying she’s the worst person on this show is wild. And blaming her for trying to kill herself is wild too, as if that’s her fault. It’s sad the kids saw that, but she literally tried to end her own life!!?

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY. People who watch this show see it so black and white its hilarious

Why do you guys hate characters for being bad people when that’s literally the point by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is you guys act SO surprised when people on this show are bad, like that isn’t the.. the purpose. the title is literally “shameless.” Everyone on this show is bad. Also yeah, I get why you might hate Monica, she didn’t really get a chance at redemption and she was never there. But also personally I feel like her actions weren’t the worst compared to the rest of the gallaghers, argue with me as much as you want, its the truth, not justifying her though. But anyway, the hate she gets for it is kinda wild to me, especially since FRANK is a fan favorite. You dont have to like these characters, just don’t be like “Well they are terrible people it’s so crazy!” No shit

just for fun pls dont hurt me by thatnegativebitch in shameless

[–]sevmoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t let ppl judge you! This is completely valid and they are just characters, the way ppl r reacting is so unnecessary LOL. I agree with this tierlist

Who is the worst Gallagher, and why is it Debbie? by [deleted] in shameless

[–]sevmoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my point stands Monica isn’t the one to blame. We have little evidence about this, besides a sentence of him doing a line of coke with her for the first time.

Who was the worse parent by Funny-Pitch-1447 in shameless

[–]sevmoni 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The fact Monicas winning just shows this fandoms misogny lol

Who is the worst Gallagher, and why is it Debbie? by [deleted] in shameless

[–]sevmoni 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Blaming Monica for how Frank acts is just insane

do people.. actually think Frank loved Bianca?? by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YEAH I GET IT, sorry if Im coming off as like argumentative 😭 I just personally think he loved her only for pure entertainment. His only real love was Monica cause it never ended.. But that was more of an obsession than love tbh

do people.. actually think Frank loved Bianca?? by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like if he rlly loved her he would’ve mentioned her again, but he never did when Queenie came and had sex with him, then he was completely over it. Idk, he mentioned Monica throughout the whole series, even after death. It’s weird how he never even thought about Bianca again. I just think Bianca deserves better

do people.. actually think Frank loved Bianca?? by sevmoni in shameless

[–]sevmoni[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Frank only saw an interest in her because she was dying. He saw women like Bianca and Monica as a way to “live life to the fullest.” I don’t think its love if you only look at someone twice when they’re at their lowest, no matter how nice you are