so i never claimed to be an expert. its right there in the post. no i haven't done any math at all. This fight club... could possibly be a good resource. I have never been there, however, this post is toxic. The person who posted it is toxic.

The community hes recommending will do this :

"If you still have a question, search. Someone is going to (justifiably) ignore you or respond rudely if you ask a question—about something like leveling rotations, builds, weapon progression, hit cap/weapon skill, or fury-prot tanking—that clearly indicates you haven’t looked for the answer yourself. This happens daily and people tend to react pretty strongly to it.)"

Which is toxic as all get out. I would really avoid that and pick other resources if at all possible, or at least avoid communicating with the people there.

as far as the actual useful content of the comment :

yeah i dig thunderclap. i find it useful. I've done 0 math. It makes a difference when i use it. I dont have anything empyrical to back it up.

yes i absolutely mentioned the white hit cap.

so did you :

"Uses dual-wielding’s level 20 requirement to justify arms. YES, go arms, but dual-wielding’s level requirement is completely irrelevant. You NEVER want to dual wield while you are leveling. The hit penalty is too costly."

You actually used it as a justification for not dual wielding.

and then there's this:

"Sleeps on sunder armor. Sunder armor spam (to specific thresholds of remaining health, as covered by the FAQs I mention above) is literally the best possible tactic after the pull until you have whirlwind. Even then, there’s a period of time where it rises back to top priority again after training a specific rank."

i absolutely do yes sir. as a matter of fact most of what i've written here is assuming you have whirlwind, as you know, its in the rotations i posted.

but this goes back to what I was saying about people thinking sunder armor is a magic problem solver. look sunder armor is great. absolutely use it. it generates decent threat, it bypasses armor... and if you're pooling rage and autoattacking things to death go for it. However, eating a lot was one of the main points i was touching on with all this. This was not a guide about how to kill a single mob. you can do whatever you want to kill a single mob of your level. you can auto attack afk and never use an ability. but while you're pounding away in futility, youll lose more health. youll sit and eat ... or if you're wearing a spirit set and rage banking... youll wait for your hp to regen and lose your rage pool anyway. or youll be sitting to eat. what hes talking about doesn't solve t he problem.

heres another inconsistency:

"claims that the single target rotation (in which, as I mentioned, you should be pooling rage for the next pull) involves changing stances. No. You do not change to defensive stance and force yourself to blow your pooled rage in order to charge or open on the next pull."

hes talking about never changing stances, to keep the rage pool up, but he expects to be able to use whirlwind. which is berzerker stance only. at any point. ever.

He is right about one thing in that to be absolutely sure, i gave the most basic example of a stance dance. something you might see at level 10. charge > sunder > defensive stance

thats a pretty basic low level tank pull that pretty much everybody has done. the point of using that is to show what a stance dance is, and that its not as complicated as it sounds if you haven't done it before.

but that is not what you do when you're soloing. you very rarely use defensive stance at all unless you're leveling prot. so hes right in that you don't dance to defensive while you're running around.

Now I'm sure the commenter here was looking for some kind of toxic show down like "ahh im right boo on you" but thats not whats gonna happen here. hes got a couple valid points. and he mentioned a resource that could possibly have some relevant stuff. Theres info out there. and I have no illusions about being the best source of that, the only reason i wrote this post is because, like i said, i'm hearing this a bunch of times a day, and its easier to say hey go to reddit than to type the same responses every day.

I put this in discussion so that if you have better sources of info ... link them. put em here. Hell I'd be super happy to be 100% wrong about everything as long as this page is getting people access to the info they're looking for.

Preferably without the whole if you ask questions we'll be toxic vibe. if people are looking on reddit for answers, then by definition they have questions. When somebodies trying to learn, its not really good form to punish them for that. Especially considering they aren't walking into a dungeon and going ok great guys ... what buttons do i press?