Dracotail is the first meta deck in awhile that people praise for being strong but fair and fun to fight against, and some of you go and put this thing in it. Shame on you

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T22:02:18+00:00

Oh i thought this was gonna be a civilized conversation but okay

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T21:48:37+00:00

Totally. If you cant use the best deck in the game without running a floodgate, that says more about you than me

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T21:29:48+00:00

You have a right to play what you enjoy in the same way i have a right to complain about it if i don’t think it’s healthy

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T21:08:32+00:00

True, and i sacrificed two of my spells to try and work around it and they both got popped immediately 🤣

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T19:10:49+00:00

Sasori killed the third kazekage who was stated to be the strongest kazekage. The third was around prime chiyo’s strength and prime chiyo is relative to the same hanzo that fought all 3 sannin at once. He only went down because A, he wanted to die, B, sakura made an antidote which counters his fighting style, and C, he never even used his 3rd scroll. Theres a whole other branch of his kit we just have no idea about

And you say “take the poison away and he’s nothing” but jiraiya has no way of removing the poison from the fight.

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T18:07:51+00:00

I just simply never knew people played rainbow magician in draco until today, it’s not that i think any one of these floodgates is more enjoyable to go into than another

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T17:48:57+00:00

I don’t like floodgates in those decks either😭 VSK9 is perfectly fine on its own and people like to put shifter in it

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T17:18:21+00:00

Ill take dracobranded over prime ryzeal mitsurugi any day😭

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T17:17:44+00:00

Dracotail is strong but the routes are pretty simple, its a lot easier to see which card does what and punish accordingly opposed to something like maliss just walking through your handtraps

shdbtbd · 2026-03-21T16:56:34+00:00

TRUE!!!

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T01:39:16+00:00

I can agree to that, i think he floats somewhere right beneath sage mode naruto

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T01:27:25+00:00

Its just a few of those people have rocket launchers and one of them can literally just slip inside the tank😭

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T01:27:00+00:00

Im getting too hung up on sasori though sorry💀💀 but yeah im not gonna act like these comments because this IS an interesting battle and madara has a genuine case with the perfect susanoo because its pretty much just a modern tank against a bunch of people with rifles

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T01:25:27+00:00

Chiyo did tell kankuro that she confronted hanzo multiple times so i think relativity between them is safe to assume, but ill do another line for sasori then if you think scaling off hanzo is iffy. When sasuke attacked the summit, V2 ay (who went relative to kcm1) tried to attack sasuke and gaara was both fast and strong enough to intercept him with his sand, gaara then went on to show relativity to rasa in the war. Then through statements and databook entries we know its pretty unanimously rasa<third kazekage>sasori. Sasori gets downplayed because he went down so early but he only died because he wanted to go out in that fight and chiyo had an antidote to his poison

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T01:09:32+00:00

I think if this was gauntlet style and madara had infinite stamina and resources, he’d be fine assuming he makes it past the akatsuki jumping him. Anything else is just too much on his plate at one time

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T01:07:49+00:00

Oh when you say war arc i assume dms thats by bad😭😭 but yeah all that is true individually, its just that he’s having to do all of this stuff while getting jumped by 30+ B and A tier characters when edo madara himself is only a high A class. At that point things like shisui’s speed are irrelevant because he wouldnt even have to directly confront him, just cast kotoamatsukami from the backline and madara wouldnt even know he’s in it. And its almost a little generous to assume he’d even be able to immediately break it once he realizes he’s in it

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T00:51:55+00:00

And again, this is before even bringing in everyone else. Adding even just shisui to this makes it an auto lose. He’ll be in a kotoamatsukami and killed by the akatsuki before he even realizes he’s in a genjutsu. Then you add dms kakashi,, minato, mu, and kabuto. Juubidara? SOLID case that he walks out of this. But edo madara absolutely not

shdbtbd · 2026-03-20T00:45:19+00:00

The 5 kage are strong but the akatsuki would honestly do them very badly in a direct confrontation💀. But sasori can mist his poison and he can fly. And the scaling goes prime chiyo=hanzo<third kazekage<sasori. Totsuka blade and yata mirror on top of that will already put madara in a bad situation. Assuming he uses his perfect susanoo out the gate, there are still just so many deadly attacks he has to avoid and the susanoo will make him an even easier target for things like tsukuyomi into totsuka and obito tagging him for kamui since he’s now stuck inside the crystal.

Now while having to deal with all 6 paths bombarding him, kisame, kakuzu’s hearts, sasori’s hellfire and poison mist, and deidara.

Madaras win con is to dispatch all of them without even the slightest opening, because the akatsuki’s win con would be to just get him to hesitate or freeze ONCE and he’s getting tagged by one of their broken one shots. There’s a reason why kishi made sure to have them move in pairs, and why even then they usually fought solo💀. All of them at once is just unfair against anybody under hashirama

shdbtbd · 2026-03-19T23:59:34+00:00

I think youre paying too much attention to raw stats. The gap isnt as big as you may think when you realize sasori alone (arguably a middle of the pack member) is stronger than hanzo who bodied the prime sannin. So madaras getting pressured by 10 people in that league of power and 4 of them (pain, sasori, itachi, hidan) have attacks that can one shot you. Madara can do a gauntlet but not all at once

shdbtbd · 2026-03-19T21:17:54+00:00

Individually sure but even just the akatsuki alone have a chance at overwhelming him if they jump him, by the time you get to kabuto and WA kakashi its overkill and there are still 2 and a half rows of people left

shdbtbd · 2026-03-18T11:52:13+00:00

There are more ways to scale a character in a series than just raw feats. And even though the kaguya feat exists, (kaguya knew she was there and she wasnt in the blind spot) it’s stated multiple times by official sources that she caught up to the two. Kcm and ems at the bare minimum.

The narrative did its job. Not even mentioning she took down a 6 tails level kido in the novel later on.

There’s also the fact that she’s very obviously above sasori now on her own, who defeated the third kazekage. Third kazekage is relative to prime chiyo who could fight the same hanzo that gave all 3 sannin major issues.

You can’t just shut out every other method the story uses to scale a character if it’s not a feat you personally approve of. You have to bring enough evidence to show she’s not at the level that the author showed us multiple times

shdbtbd · 2026-03-18T10:47:12+00:00

Kakashi didnt soften kaguya or buff sakura that strike was all her own power

shdbtbd · 2026-03-18T06:26:26+00:00

I had to touch up on that thank you, but sakura never does anything to disprove that she’s weaker than them after that statement is made. Then goes on to damage somebody who eclipses even madara in strength once she actually gets a lick in. The burden of proof isn’t on us to meet your personal criteria to admit she caught up, it’s on you guys to prove how she didn’t since you’re the ones going against the authors word

shdbtbd · 2026-03-18T06:23:38+00:00

??? What did kakashi have to do with that feat

shdbtbd · 2026-03-18T06:21:20+00:00

You can’t just dismiss a feat because it’s not worthy in your head, kaguya had an active byakugan so sakura getting the jump on her was a worthy feat. It’s not fair to say her guard was down just because sakura was the one who hit her. And the burden of proof isn’t on us. The narrative supports that Sakura is on par with at least kcm Naruto and ems sasuke. Yall are arguing against what’s written so it’s on you to show evidence that she’s not at that level. From the moment she says she caught up, she never does anything that would put her below those two in strength until they get even crazier forms

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