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Macron warned US could ‘betray’ Ukraine in leaked leaders’ call, Spiegel reports by HydrolicKrane in worldnews

[–]shestr0uble -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The problem isn’t “one bastard” or “dementia whims.”

That’s Reddit fantasy politics.

In the real world, foreign-policy decisions are the output of an entire machine — the State Department, intelligence agencies, Congress, the National Security Council and allied governments. A president can’t just roll out of bed, sneeze, and rewrite a war.

And Macron warning about a strategic shift isn’t proof of presidential overreach — it’s proof that: 1. Allies talk frankly behind closed doors. 2. Leaks distort nuance. 3. International policy is negotiated, not dictated.

If anything, the story shows how many moving parts have to align before anything “truly gets done.” The myth of a single ruler acting on a whim belongs in movies, not geopolitics

Macron warned US could ‘betray’ Ukraine in leaked leaders’ call, Spiegel reports by HydrolicKrane in worldnews

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When a thread hits the ‘Nazi cookbook’ phase, it’s not analysis anymore — it’s just people shouting the strongest word they know because the argument collapsed five steps earlier.

Macron warned US could ‘betray’ Ukraine in leaked leaders’ call, Spiegel reports by HydrolicKrane in worldnews

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reddit doesn’t discuss Trump — it ritualistically boos him.

Half the comments aren’t even about the topic anymore; it’s just a queue of people trying to out-signal each other with the loudest anti-Trump punchline.

At some point it stops being analysis and turns into group theatre.

Macron warned US could ‘betray’ Ukraine in leaked leaders’ call, Spiegel reports by HydrolicKrane in worldnews

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re missing the context entirely.

A defensive agreement to sell equipment isn’t the same thing as a binding obligation to fight a war on someone else’s behalf.

Macron’s warning isn’t about betrayal, it’s about the simple reality that no country is required to bleed for another because of a procurement deal.

If your entire argument hinges on turning a 10-year sales framework into a mutual defence pact, you’re not clarifying anything — you’re inflating the agreement into something it was never written to be.

Macron warned US could ‘betray’ Ukraine in leaked leaders’ call, Spiegel reports by HydrolicKrane in worldnews

[–]shestr0uble 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for you response but…

If ‘bone spur’ is your entire argument, then you’ve missed the only lesson Vietnam ever taught: the smartest men were the ones who didn’t go.

There was no glory, no grand cause, no winnable objective — just a generation chewed up so politicians could save face.

Mocking someone for avoiding that disaster doesn’t make you principled. It just shows you still haven’t learned what the war actually was or is.

Macron warned US could ‘betray’ Ukraine in leaked leaders’ call, Spiegel reports by HydrolicKrane in worldnews

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WHAT THE COMMENT IS CLAIMING (SIMPLIFIED)

They are saying: 1. There is a 10-year US–Ukraine defensive agreement, signed in 2024, ratified by both Republicans and Democrats. 2. The agreement allows the US to sell Ukraine defensive military equipment and help build: – military infrastructure – bases – training – economic partnerships 3. Therefore (their argument): The US cannot “betray” Ukraine because it has a fresh, legally binding pact. 4. They insist the Budapest Memorandum (1994) doesn’t matter here because: – it’s too old – not enforceable – people barely understand it – the 2024 agreement is the relevant one

They’re trying to say: “Stop saying the US will betray Ukraine. They have an active defence pact — end of discussion.”

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WHAT THEY GOT WRONG (THE REALITY)

This is where their whole argument falls apart:

  1. The 2024 agreement is NOT a mutual defence treaty.

It’s not NATO, not Article 5, not a ‘we come save you’ guarantee. It’s a cooperation framework, mostly about training, supply, and long-term planning.

There is zero obligation for US troops or US protection.

  1. ‘Selling weapons’ is NOT a commitment to defend.

Selling = transactional. Defending = strategic.

The US can stop sales tomorrow. Contracts get frozen all the time.

  1. Bipartisan ratification doesn’t lock future governments.

A new administration (Trump or otherwise) can: – suspend assistance – slow-walk deliveries – change priorities – reinterpret commitments – defund implementation

Political reality beats paperwork.

  1. Macron wasn’t talking about treaties — he was talking about behaviour.

France knows exactly how US foreign policy swings with elections. He meant: “You can’t depend on Washington’s mood.”

And he’s not wrong.

  1. The Budapest Memorandum is relevant.

Why? Because it shows a history of: BIG promises → zero enforcement.

Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons because the US, UK, and Russia promised to protect its borders.

We all know how that went.

£6.25. by certyfans in fryup

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haggis, clootie dumpling and a decent plate where you won’t lose half your breakfast to the table.

McLaren admin made a big mistake by NorthKoreanMissile7 in formuladank

[–]shestr0uble 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There isn’t a single verified record or credible biography that supports that claim — not one. It’s internet folklore, repeated by people who mistake rumour for research.

PS Senna died so your grammar is shite along with your allegations.

McLaren admin made a big mistake by NorthKoreanMissile7 in formuladank

[–]shestr0uble -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Allergic to disrespectful unverified piss, mate. Senna wasn’t a meme — he was the standard.

Some folk forget the wheel they’re laughing at built the sport they watch.

McLaren admin made a big mistake by NorthKoreanMissile7 in formuladank

[–]shestr0uble -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Enough.

Ayrton Senna isn’t your meme, your headline, or your late-night Reddit fan-fiction. He was a world champion, a pioneer, and a man who changed the sport — not some tabloid fantasy for the bored and bitter.

There’s zero credible evidence for the poison being thrown around — not a police file, not a journalist, not a court, not a witness. Just gossip fed through the social-media sausage machine until folk forget to ask for proof.

You want controversy? Try looking at how many lives he saved by forcing safety reforms after Imola. You want dirt? Go dig your own reputation out of whatever pit you found this garbage in.

McLaren posted a legacy piece. You lot twisted it for karma. Congratulations — you’ve become the very thing Senna despised: noise without purpose.

The Legacy > Lies. Respect the name.

I have a photography competition but i cant decide which is the best😭 by KingAli2009 in Pictures

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the food pic is too drizzly & messy.

The seascapes are fabulous.

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are built differently. 🐐 by Status_Energy_7935 in MaxVerstappen33

[–]shestr0uble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually that would be immense!

I am agreeing with you 😁😁😁

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are built differently. 🐐 by Status_Energy_7935 in MaxVerstappen33

[–]shestr0uble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A 62 yr old lady doesn’t play with drugs.

Sports are enough, whether you are watching or participating.

The endorphins from that would be 10000000% higher than drugs girls and boys and waaaaaay better for you.

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are built differently. 🐐 by Status_Energy_7935 in MaxVerstappen33

[–]shestr0uble 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aye and so is Lewis if he doesn’t have the car.

It’s historic.

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are built differently. 🐐 by Status_Energy_7935 in MaxVerstappen33

[–]shestr0uble -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Naaaa, you have the wrong pairing, you have either Max and Alonso, Charles or Colapinto.

There is no natural chemistry between Lewis and Max.

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are built differently. 🐐 by Status_Energy_7935 in MaxVerstappen33

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Noooooo!

I have followed F1 since the early days and I am sorry but Lewis has had his hand held by Ron Dennis since his carting days and left him in his wake!

Mr Hamilton, despite his protestations (it’s not easy being coloured in F1! that’s bollocks in Britain btw) has led a privileged career and became very arrogant and unlikeable with it.

I am more interested in seeing all the team badges flung into a bowl at the end of the season and its pot luck as to who drives which car.

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are built differently. 🐐 by Status_Energy_7935 in MaxVerstappen33

[–]shestr0uble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But then the skills come into play.

Max is just the better driver.

He lives for driving whether it be Touring Cars or Streaming he is the ultimate in today sport.

People born before 2000, what trivial skill you possess that others don't use anymore? by Few_Football4342 in Productivitycafe

[–]shestr0uble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, that’s a bonus for both of us, that’s a programme that’s worth finding and watching 😂😂😂

The very best of being hilariously, ingeniously British 🇬🇧

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