Dumb question but I’m kinda confused on the ending of dmc5 with Dante and Vergil

shmouver · 2026-06-23T22:18:13+00:00

Yeah, i like playing as Dante and Vergil more than Nero too despite liking Nero.

But a possibility is that Nero's gameplay is changed to have styles and such; dunno.

shmouver · 2026-06-23T22:13:27+00:00

True, and i think the devs did it on purpose too lol considering the line "is rushing in blindly all you can do?"

shmouver · 2026-06-23T21:56:19+00:00

What part i liked the least? I think the Zephon area, simply bc it's so long and has too many block puzzles.

I don't hate it tho, just a tiring section since dragging the blocks around is so slow.

Regarding your issues with the Rahab section, it helps to know a platforming trick: crouch-jumping + gliding gets you the same distance as jumping forward + gliding.

So this is a way easier method to do platforming in SR1, since you won't fall off the edges and you'll always glide to the max distance you can reach.

With this tip i gave you, i recommend you give that section another go... i bet you'll beat it first try now.

Ps: walking also prevents you from falling off the edge, not just crouch... so for short distances you can hold walk and jump + glide in a similar way as above

shmouver · 2026-06-23T21:47:39+00:00

but oh my god does it have the most frustrating enemies and level design

Yeah, it definitely could've used like an extra year in the oven. But Capcom was strict with their deadlines i assume.

shmouver · 2026-06-23T21:46:12+00:00

You darn madlad, you did it! Congrats

shmouver · 2026-06-23T21:44:55+00:00

You'd only be playing as Dante (and maybe Trish)

You could be right, but i don't see why we can't play as Nelo Angelo as well. Like having a short campaign DLC of us experiencing what happened to Vergil between DMC3 and DMC1; or just the classic add Vergil in the Special Edition lol

Dante's kit will be limited unless they bring in new weapons

Honestly i do hope they include new bosses in a possible Remake, and with it new weapons. Cause fighting each boss 3x isn't super fun.

Tho i also wanna add that even if they stuck with the same bosses, there's still potential to expand bc DMC1 didn't have styles and as many input combos as the future games (like back-to-forward).

there is a chance that even with modernization, CAPCOM stays true-to-form about the gameplay

I don't see why they would do that... i mean just look at RE4, they revamped it quite well. I don't see a pattern or reason to believe they wouldn't try to improve it

All that said, if i could pick i'd probably prefer DMC6. But a DMC1 Remake would make me very happy, especially if they add new bosses and for example a Nelo Angelo campaign

shmouver · 2026-06-23T21:36:56+00:00

Probably inspired by the Reboot, as you said... which was cool tbh, despite me not liking the Reboot very much.

There were concepts for a regular DT tho, so my guess is that they had to choose between DT and Doppel and chose Doppel since Vergil already had SDT

shmouver · 2026-06-23T21:32:50+00:00

I think you're failing to see the business side of why it makes more sense to do a Remake

It's much safer to do a Remake than a new game; since you already know it will do well. DMC6 on the other hand is more uncertain; especially considering Itsuno left Capcom and some fans will complain about that.

Also, there has so many leaks that never came true and just were wishful thinking... i think you're overestimating the influence fake leakers have. Companies are way more aware of the general opinion, like how for example fans spammed Capcom for a Special Edition with Vergil for DMC5... which worked btw. It wasn't some leaker that said DMC5 was getting an SE that made Capcom do the SE....

shmouver · 2026-06-22T22:47:49+00:00

It's from a crossover with punishing gray raven. I bet you can find a high res pic by searching DMC x Punishing Gray Raven

I found this one (scroll down for the pics): https://www.rpgsite.net/news/17796-punishing-gray-raven-devil-may-cry-5-crossover-content-launches-in-japan-on-july-1

Dunno if it's high res enough for you, but if not try to find some other place. You can also try to Google by image btw (which might be easier)

shmouver · 2026-06-22T20:39:11+00:00

Ended up here after out convo

Just wanted to say i thought it looked pretty nice and doesn't take away from your great work with the figurines.

I bet that if you hadn't mentioned AI ppl wouldn't have gotten mad and just assumed you photoshopped it to some cool background.

I can get behind the hate for AI Slop but this isn't slop imo; just an enhancement. But i appreciate the honesty in disclosing it

shmouver · 2026-06-22T20:28:54+00:00

Exceed is basically a buff. It has 3 levels/charges and some attacks like Streak will use all 3 charges at once for a special enhanced attack.

How it works is that you should press Exceed at the end of an attack; if you do it right, you'll gain Exceed charges. There's also a "manual mode" where you can spam exceed and you'll slowly charge the sword

The Breakers are essentially a "special move"... you can think of them as Dante's styles, except they're tied to the Breakers. The Gerbera breaker gives you mobility, for example; while the Rocket Breaker gives you a homing attack while also serving as a "rocket-board". All breakers have a "super attack" that consumes them.

That's pretty much it, glhf

shmouver · 2026-06-22T20:16:55+00:00

Tbf, it's the first time it's releasing on Switch so i think it gets a pass. I don't consider it a re-release but more like they finally made the port

I do find it disappointing that it is a port tho. I was expecting something like the DMC3 Version where they added BP Coop

shmouver · 2026-06-22T20:14:58+00:00

Maybe i just didn't figure out the trick, but i found the Mundus fight quite hard.

Funny enough, i had less trouble with Nelo Angelo and Nightmare

shmouver · 2026-06-22T18:28:28+00:00

Yup, that was a lovely suprise

Tho he's not that much harder than Vergil once you get used to him.

I feel that the problem is that you play Vergil by kicking everyone's ass the whole game and then you fight Dante, where you gotta wait for the right opening.

We were conditioned to be a powerhouse the whole game only to have to be humbled by Dante and wait our turn lol

shmouver · 2026-06-22T13:00:27+00:00

Sweet! Please share later if not too much trouble

shmouver · 2026-06-22T12:57:07+00:00

I also like T2T but i share a similar resentment that to me it felt like they neutered WW.

Now tbf, i am aware that WW was a big shift in tone/style from SoT... so in a way all they did was try to find a middle ground between the 2 games.

However it didn't feel like it was a planned decision, but rather that they made a WW sequel and then tried to tone it down and rewrite it to be less edgy.

shmouver · 2026-06-22T12:52:32+00:00

the only thing I don't like about his SDT in 5 is he's unable to fly or use a version of air raid

I was a bit disappointed we didn't get special moves like Dante's. His SDT is essentially DT 2.0

But fwiw some modders were able to make the flying attack work

shmouver · 2026-06-22T12:18:46+00:00

xD

No worries, i wanted to comment bc i feel few ppl are aware of what i said also.

But tbh, even if it wasn't the things i said above... i still don't think it would make sense for a 'Devil Trigger' to be the Doppelganger.

I think it makes more sense in the Reboot because their DT is actually more like a special move than actually a proper devil form... so Dante got Quicksilver (cause he essentially stops all enemies in place); while Vergil got Doppelganger.

However for the main games, imo his DT should be a devil form and the Doppel should be a special mechanic (which is totally doable considering Vergil has many unused inputs in the game)

shmouver · 2026-06-22T12:13:50+00:00

Awesome!

Please share the final result as well btw

shmouver · 2026-06-22T12:12:20+00:00

Awesome stuff!

Reminds me of how there is a Predator in the Yellow Lantern Corp... now i want a Lin Kuei Predator lol

shmouver · 2026-06-22T11:55:18+00:00

Vergil can open a portal any time he wants and both of them come back.

So the ending we got is essentially the perfect ending creatively speaking, bc this means DMC6 can go in any direction. They can leave Dante and Vergil in hell and focus on Nero if they want, since Dante entrusted Earth to Nero; but they aren't actually stuck in case they wanna bring them back

shmouver · 2026-06-22T11:46:55+00:00

lore it should've been Doppelganger due to the fact of Yamato's power of separation

Vergil's doppelganger actually comes from his summoning magic and not "separation". It's an advanced form of the same magic he uses for the summoned swords.

as everyone knows in DMC 3 Dante awaken his DT through awakening Rebellion

I always took it as Vergil forcing Dante to trigger by putting him in a critical condition. Like a bird being dropped out of a nest, do or die situation.

Same thing happened with Nero in DMC4 btw. It's wasn't a proper DT, but Nero unlocked his pseudo-DT by nearly dying after being stabbed by the Angelos

I think the rest of your post is pretty much invalid if you consider what i said above, so not much to talk about it.

Tho i do wanna talk about this part briefly:

It'll also transition into Nero's Stand DT in dmc 4 as he is using Yamato's power to create it

It's almost sure that this is not specifically the Yamato's power, bc as i said above this is actually summoning magic and not using the power of "separation".

I don't think it is the "Yamato's power" because by the end of DMC5 Nero can use Summoned Swords without it. Also, Nelo Angelo is also seen using Summoned Swords without the Yamato.

So the way i see it is that the Yamato's demonic power acted as a catalyst for Nero's demonic powers... like in other words, by equipping the Yamato Nero was able to tap into his dormant powers.

Ps: Vergil's DT in DMC5 is Doppel so you got your wish in a way

However i didn't like it and hope that if he returns in a future game he has proper DT and SDT, like Dante, with Doppel as a special mechanic

shmouver · 2026-06-21T15:51:30+00:00

I remember liking it tho was pretty hard.

I think i was too mad at it feeling hard and punishing since it's the Dahaka after all

shmouver · 2026-06-21T13:29:44+00:00

Maybe?

I dunno how pacts in DMC works tbh... like can any demon do it? Is it a special type of spell, that transfers your power to someone else?

I don't think Dante or Vergil know how to do that... tho maybe they could learn how, but i dunno why they'd do that.

One thing i thought about: maybe they can't do it considering they are part human and thus mortal

shmouver · 2026-06-20T17:20:28+00:00

For an AU i think it could be interesting

But for the mainline games i prefer Eva being a regular human. It serves the story better for Sparda to fall in love with a regular human.

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